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World Traveler
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...or maybe they would rather collect $500 a week in unemployment benefits for not working than go back to work...
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| Congress has successfully extended the length of time one can collect jobless benefits four different times in recent years, from 26 weeks to 99 weeks |
I didn't hear last nights speech, but I read online that Obama wants to extend jobless benefits even more?! That is crazy! It will encourage people not to work and keep the "unemployment rate" high. >_< |
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You
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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There were a ton of jobs similar to the one I found in the area, I just went after that one specifically because it's 20 minutes away from my boyfriends medical school.
So...yeah..totally don't know where you're coming from... |
There is a med school 20 minutes away from Napa? What med school is that? UC-Davis and UCSF are about an hour away... |
dear lord, seriously? You couldn't do a google search to answer your own question?
It's the one on Mare Island, Touro University, about 20 minutes outside of Napa.
I thought maybe you tried and it just didn't show in a google search because it's a small Jewish school. I just typed 'med school near napa' and Touro was the first result --;
Maybe there is some weight to what people keep saying in this thread about lazy people..... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
...or maybe they would rather collect $500 a week in unemployment benefits for not working than go back to work...
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| Congress has successfully extended the length of time one can collect jobless benefits four different times in recent years, from 26 weeks to 99 weeks |
I didn't hear last nights speech, but I read online that Obama wants to extend jobless benefits even more?! That is crazy! It will encourage people not to work and keep the "unemployment rate" high. >_< |
Thats right in line with the right wing thinking of the Republican Party but ok. Sadly the REALITY is not as simple as this, the issue is far more complex than "more unemployment benefits = people will prefer not to work".
There are so many other issues at work here... |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| I refuse to compare different places based on the terms 'better' or 'best', and instead only apply terms like 'less worse' or 'least worst'. That's about the only way I can respond. Nature's still great though! - despite the hysteria to the contrary - Earth seems to be doing great!! |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
...or maybe they would rather collect $500 a week in unemployment benefits for not working than go back to work...
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| Congress has successfully extended the length of time one can collect jobless benefits four different times in recent years, from 26 weeks to 99 weeks |
I didn't hear last nights speech, but I read online that Obama wants to extend jobless benefits even more?! That is crazy! It will encourage people not to work and keep the "unemployment rate" high. >_< |
Thats right in line with the right wing thinking of the Republican Party but ok. Sadly the REALITY is not as simple as this, the issue is far more complex than "more unemployment benefits = people will prefer not to work".
There are so many other issues at work here... |
True there are other issues, but I would say it's "right in line with modern (or classic!) economic theory" rather than "right wing thinking." There is a historically strong relationship between unemployment benefits and the unemployment rate, and it doesn't take a PhD in econ to understand which way the causation runs.
That doesn't mean unemployment benefits are wrong (mathematically, there has to be a socially optimal level given any definition of your utility function), but it will raise unemployment. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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There were a ton of jobs similar to the one I found in the area, I just went after that one specifically because it's 20 minutes away from my boyfriends medical school.
So...yeah..totally don't know where you're coming from... |
There is a med school 20 minutes away from Napa? What med school is that? UC-Davis and UCSF are about an hour away... |
dear lord, seriously? You couldn't do a google search to answer your own question?
It's the one on Mare Island, Touro University, about 20 minutes outside of Napa.
I thought maybe you tried and it just didn't show in a google search because it's a small Jewish school. I just typed 'med school near napa' and Touro was the first result --;
Maybe there is some weight to what people keep saying in this thread about lazy people..... |
Thanks ms. snark! |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| You wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| You wrote: |
There were a ton of jobs similar to the one I found in the area, I just went after that one specifically because it's 20 minutes away from my boyfriends medical school.
So...yeah..totally don't know where you're coming from... |
There is a med school 20 minutes away from Napa? What med school is that? UC-Davis and UCSF are about an hour away... |
dear lord, seriously? You couldn't do a google search to answer your own question?
It's the one on Mare Island, Touro University, about 20 minutes outside of Napa.
I thought maybe you tried and it just didn't show in a google search because it's a small Jewish school. I just typed 'med school near napa' and Touro was the first result --;
Maybe there is some weight to what people keep saying in this thread about lazy people..... |
Maybe he meant only "real" med schools. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
...or maybe they would rather collect $500 a week in unemployment benefits for not working than go back to work...
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| Congress has successfully extended the length of time one can collect jobless benefits four different times in recent years, from 26 weeks to 99 weeks |
I didn't hear last nights speech, but I read online that Obama wants to extend jobless benefits even more?! That is crazy! It will encourage people not to work and keep the "unemployment rate" high. >_< |
There was an older guy I worked with in a job before I came to Korea. Family guy, had a wife and kids. One of the kids had a medical problem. He got laid off. He has a college degree. He was hunting for jobs feverishly and at night time was going for some kind of certification, can't recall what, but it was to beef up his resume. He could find jobs but not enough to for the family. He had a choice. Take a job paying far less than he needed and barely get by, if that (he was considering moving in with inlaws) and if he did, he would have no time to go on interviews for better jobs because he was too new to get time off or keep getting unemployment which at least provides some income and gives him time to go on interviews. He did the latter and ended up in a job he hated but it paid much closer to a salary he needed for his family. He is thankful for it.
He took unemployment benefits for months and months. But he wasn't sitting on his butt.
There are others, a lot of single folks espcially (can't imagine a person with a family doing it but I suspect there are) who are at home who see the unemployent benefits as money for an extended vacation. Probelm is in trying to stop that, you end up hurting tons of families that really do need the extension like the guy I worked with.
Its not always that simple (to cut benefits totally) and the government doesn't seem to have the manpower to to do a quality means test to weed out everyone who are just picking up a paycheck.
Same happens with corporations. There are tons of programs to help companies so that they hire more people. However, what happens is there are many companies who get monies they don't need. Tons of corporate farms that don't need subsidies get it as well.
I hear people complain when its their fellow citizens getting monies in that way but not so much when its companies. I've posetd a link in another thread that shows that corporate welfare spending is much higher than social welfare spending. But politicians demonize social spending (and I agree to some extent it should be modified even more) and in the process pit American against American and class agains class and sometimes by some politicians use it t pit race against race, but turn a blind eye to GE or others who reap billions doing the same thing. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| He took unemployment benefits for months and months. But he wasn't sitting on his butt. |
26 weeks is months and months. It is six months and two weeks. That is plenty of time. 99 weeks is almost two years. This is way too long. Why on earth should it be extended even longer?
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| I've posetd a link in another thread that shows that corporate welfare spending is much higher than social welfare spending. |
Post the link to this because I doubt this is true. I'd like to see these numbers and how they were reached.
Some people on unemployment are making more money than English teachers in Korea.
Unemployment benefits discourage people from taking jobs they feel are beneath them.
Welfare benefits encourage (or at least lessen the disincentive for) degenerates who should not be reproducing to have more children. Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy?
What I like about South Korea:
People work hard.
The birthrate is low.
Single mothers with children born out of wedlock are as rare as unicorns. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Unemployment benefits discourage people from taking jobs they feel are beneath them. |
Or they can use it to help them improve their marketability when they reenter the job market. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| For all the 22-23-24 yr olds who like to complain.... |
I thought this thread was going to be about barring E2 visas for under-25 yr olds. |
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You
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I was thinking about this thread today and I thought I'd just offer this advice for the people who are really looking to go back to the States from Korea~
When I applied for jobs (and found my suga daddy of a job) I didn't use a job search program. I took my experience and education level into consideration and thought about where I wanted to take my career (Educational Administration) and then sought out Academic institutions and looked directly on their website for jobs, then applied for the one I wanted.
When I try to get a job I always think of myself as a product, that needs to be marketed in the correct way in order for the consumer (the people looking to hire someone) to realize I am the perfect fit for what they are looking for.
If you're in Korea and you don't have the education to get the kind of job you want~find an online program (usually designed for rural students who can't make the drive to campus everyday) and do it as you work in Korea, that's how I did my Masters and I still had enough money left over to have a facials every week and go on shopping sprees. It's win win for you.
I also got incredibly involved with volunteering in Korea (orphanages, feeding the homeless, doing work with defectors from North Korea etc etc) and it was a really valuable experience, looks great on my resume and it's always a source of conversation in my interviews.
I'm an average Joe, so I know if you guys put a little effort and foresight into this you will succeed. Hopefully, that helped someone a little bit or motivated someone to better themselves.  |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
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| I've posetd a link in another thread that shows that corporate welfare spending is much higher than social welfare spending. |
Post the link to this because I doubt this is true. I'd like to see these numbers and how they were reached.
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Social welfare was drastically reduced in the Clinton years. Corporate welfare has not been touched for the most part. Its sacrosanct. I'm not against further reduction in social welfare if its targeted properly. I think there could be a better means test. However, I think there shouldn't be a discussion about the elimination of social welfare until coporate welfare is eliminated.
Many of us have fell under the spell of politicians who use social welfare to win votes by pitting class against class and sometimes race against race. Its a divide and conquer issue. They know the poor amongst don't vote in the same numbers as higher socioeconomic classes. Nary a word is said about corporate welfare though.
http://www.eriposte.com/economy/tax/corporate_welfare.htm
Fact I : Spending for corporate welfare programs outweighs
spending for low-income programs by more than
three to one: $167 billion to $51.7 billion
Fact II: Total federal spending on a safety net for
the poor costs the average taxpayer about
$400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare
programs costs the same taxpayer about
$1400 a year |
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sirius black
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Many of us on here speak of the ease to be gainfully employed based on solely on the small world we all live in .
There are millions of Americans out of work. If the ease in finding employment is to be believed as is sdvocated by some on this thread then the overwhelming marjority of the millions of Americans who are unemployed are lazy and/or not trying hard enough.
I can't come to any other conclusion based on the comments by some on this thread.
It seems there is no jobless situation that can't be overcome. However, there are hundreds of if not thousands of teachers that have come to Korea (as well as Japan and other locales) for precisely the same reason that they couldn't find a decent job. So, are we saying that all these teachers are lazy and/or not trying hard enough? |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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I did my Masters and I still had enough money left over to have a facials every week and go on shopping sprees.
I also got incredibly involved with volunteering in Korea (orphanages, feeding the homeless, doing work with defectors from North Korea etc etc) and it was a really valuable experience, looks great on my resume and it's always a source of conversation in my interviews. |
I'm awondrin' how on earth you had time to do a Masters, fulltime job, be incredibly involved in orphanages, feed the homeless and work with defectors from NK.......ETC ETC !!!!!
Not to forget the shopping sprees and facials EVERY WEEK!!
About three quarters of that should be dumped from your resume, lest the HR guy think he's been humored.
If I saw such an almighty resume float across my desk, it couldn't be binned fast enough. |
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