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ibeattheborg



Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: the deep blue sea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Icewontolla wrote:
oldtrafford wrote:
It's very simple, you're unqualified to do your job. The fact that you have kids on task is more a testimony to the kids then any skills you have. If you're really serious about teaching go home and get qualified. If you're here for the 'experience' then perhaps ask to observe a 'teachers'' class and see what skills they use for crowd control. But seriously what did you expect!! Kids are kids where ever you go, they're going to try it on.

You are a retard...besides being wrong about everything you're not helping in anyway. He is here now, thanks for telling him what he can't do. You fucking jackass.


Dearest 'old trafford' Note the name of the poster who called you a retard, and now take a look at my posting name. Do you see the difference ? You have attacked me verbally and threatened me physically because Icewontolla called you a retard. Now, with all your concern for site-moderation, I demand an apology for your mistake!
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An apology I shall give old boy!! I APOLOGISE! Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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WadRUG'naDoo



Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I got some posters confused as well. Hard to tell with how one or more are quoting in bold rather than using the quote function.

It's a terrible, terrible thing, it is.
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the fella:

Icewontolla


Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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ForeverWanderlust



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man I just cant get over the lack of respect and how these lil kids act during a class.

They dont take any of the work seriously. They rush through it. Some kids wont even do any of the work.

They all talk amongst themselves in Korean during the entire class.

They pretty much dont listen to any direct command (if they do it will be briefly and in 3 seconds they will be back to doing something you just told them not to do)

All that makes it difficult to try and teach a lesson.

I guess I just got to learn how to not care. Go in there say what I need to say, pass out any handouts ect and if they listen fine if they dont fine.

Im just paranoid about getting fired or something. My manager observed me on my first week for a class and said I was using to big of words, I was talking to fast, and that I needed to focus more on the people not just the ones in the first row. Then there is cameras in every classroom. Just makes things stressful. lol
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've discovered why so many teachers utilize games in their lessons.

The kids usually won't focus on a book or a regular lesson, but if you can figure out a way to use the same material (vocabulary and sentence structures) within the context of a game, they will show more interest.

Depending on what kind of game (puzzle) you come up with, you can get the class focused on your lesson.

If you haven't heard about it already, I highly recommend a book by

David Paul , "Teaching English to Children in Asia".
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Fat_Elvis



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto

PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just started a new term with some new kids classes, and here's what I do for classroom management.

When the kids enter the room I greet them and allocate different tables to them - I've put coloured cardboard above the tables so I say 'green, red ..' etc table. When they are seated I check their homework. Then the teams choose a team name and a captain is allocated to each team. I do this at the start of every lesson - having a routine is important. I usually follow this with some active game revising the language we learnt in the previous class.

The teams can gain or lose points throughout the class - they gain points from good behaviour, answering questions correctly and winning games, and they lose points for bad behaviour such as shouting, speaking Korean etc. Warn them once that if they repeat the bad behaviour you'll minus a point, so they know it's their fault. The winning team gets to line up and leave the classroom first - no stickers or candy.

In the first class I go over classroom rules. Have some flashcards made of people fighting, putting up their hands, speaking Korean etc and elicit from the students what the rule is and if it's a 'Do' or 'Don't'. This means all the students know the rules in the classroom. I then play some active game to reinforce it. 'Jump the line' is a good one here - students form one line in the middle of the class room and they jump one direction for 'Do' and the other direction for 'Don't'. The slowest student has to sit down, and the last remaining student is the winner and gets points for their team.

As some waygug-in points out, games are crucial to keeping students interested, as is knowing when to use stirring or settling activities. And remember, there will always be a bit of an X factor when working with kids, and experience will eventually tell you what to do when things don't work. But don't give up hope and remember you are the one in control of the situation.
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chungbukdo



Joined: 22 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Setaro wrote:
cincynate wrote:
Quote:
By not working in a Hagwon.


Yeah so setaro would rather work in a ps with 40 screaming children not listening to a word you say. Think 10 boys are loud? Try a class with 20 or more


Students generally behave better at school than they do at the Hagwons for a start. I've had classes of 35 and they aren't a problem, and are well behaved. It does also help that in a PS you should have a Korean teacher in the room at all times, who, unless they are inept, should be helping with discipline at bare minimum.


I've taught both at a hakwon and elementary school. By far the hakwon was easier to teach in, if the class sizes were small (had a few large classes). Having just a few kids to teach is great, especially since they're all at the same level in a hakwon and you usually get a textbook to teach from.

Public school on the other hand, if you teach afterschool classes like in TaLK, you get a tonne of kids organized by their age rather than English level. For example, grade 6: Some of them can have little conversations with you, some of them can't write their ABC's. And you're expected to teach this huge class alone. You try to get the more advanced kids to help the kids who don't perform, but that can only last for so long because nobody wants to help the loud acting up farm boys write their ABC's every day. So you just give up and let them draw pictures, and try to teach to 25% of the interested class while the rest misbehave or do their own thing, for a year.
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coetivy89



Joined: 07 May 2011

PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a co-teacher, you should really talk to her (or him--if male korean teachers exist, I haven't met one). In my experience, she sets the tone for discipline with the students (at least at my academy). If her idea of discipline is a meek "hajima" when students are bludgeoning each other with makeshift weapons, that's what you're going to have to deal with in your class. On the other hand, if she takes them outside and shouts at them every time they speak Korean in your class, they will be well-behaved.

Just my thoughts.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
Kennyftw's post brings to mind one point;

Here are 2 teachers, one says he's got certification and is fully trained to be a teacher , the OP didn't tell us his background but someone accused him of being clueless and untrained.

Both are having the same types of issues with classroom management.

So how well does being a certified teacher actually prepare anyone for the job as an EFL instructor?

I'd say not very well at all. Some things are only gained through experience.


Right. Training and qualifications help with some aspects of teaching.......experience helps with some other aspects........but I'd like to add that maybe the biggest factor is just having the right personality for the job. That's what sorts the wheat from the chaff.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And just what is the "right personality"?

One person's right is another person's worst nightmare.


I'm not trying to be snide either, I am curious as to what you think the

"right personality" would be.
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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
And just what is the "right personality"?

One person's right is another person's worst nightmare.


I'm not trying to be snide either, I am curious as to what you think the

"right personality" would be.


Lots of different personalities can work well in the classroom but I think some factors really help. Being able to bounce back after a difficult lesson is important, being able to stay clam and unflustered helps too. Some personalities also work better with different age groups too. Some teachers are more "fun" and other "stricter" but both can work if the relationship is developed with the class. I don't know if OP work situation allows him to build that relationship where the students get used to him and his expectations of them.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point exactly.

It depends on a lot of factors, where you work, who your students are,

what kind of materials you have (as in are you forced to follow some

mis-matched textbook, or can you bring in your own ideas)

Some of my students absolutely hated me, others loved me some just

tolerated me because I was there, and I had similar feelings towards them.

There are as many diverse possibilities as there are students and teachers.


I think the things you mention have less to do with personality than they have to do with experience/training. But who am I to say.

I have been told directly that ,"you need to change your personality".

Like that's even possible.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kennyftw wrote:
oldtrafford wrote:
It's very simple, you're unqualified to do your job. The fact that you have kids on task is more a testimony to the kids then any skills you have. If you're really serious about teaching go home and get qualified. If you're here for the 'experience' then perhaps ask to observe a 'teachers'' class and see what skills they use for crowd control. But seriously what did you expect!! Kids are kids where ever you go, they're going to try it on.

This is a load of crap. I have a teaching license and studied for 4 years how to be a teacher. But there's always one class where the kids just won't listen to your instructions--OR--you spend an inordinate amount of time trying to get them to focus and it starts to detract from your lesson and becomes a hindrance.
I wish the PC world would go sing kumbaya in a corner so the rest of us could proclaim the truth, which is, sometimes kids are JUST BAD. There's no other reason. They're just BAD.


...and attitudes. Your class doesn't count for the exam and it may depend on the Korean teacher's attitude towards you and previous teachers. This affect the respect or lack thereof that kids will have for you. Also, you don't speak the language. Having some base language ability is key to doing this in the longterm. Hardcore ESL's will disagree with me on that but to each their own. YOU are not the disciplinarian or a teacher leading a class in your home country. Your class is fun time. You need to partly be entertaining, unless you're teaching adults. That's what ESL is!! Part entertainer, part educator. If you can't handle that, tuck your tail between your knees and run back home.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...never underestimate candy or totaling points or stickers at the end of the week for best prizes given out weekly. Speak to your co-teachers.
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