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indramayu
Joined: 29 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:46 am Post subject: Who goes back home? |
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After living & working in Korea for a large part of one's professional life (in my case, 20 years in EFL), how many people go back home and find work there? How many stay until retirement in Korea? WHat's the ratio between people who vs. go?
After working in Korea for awhile, I'm looking at life back home but the job prospects look bleak. Even with an MA in TESOL (dime a dozen, eh?), I wonder if I'd end up scrounging around working part-time in several different ESL schools.
How many people turn to the "BEd --> high school" route? I'm thinking of that but, after contacting many programs, the competition looks something fierce. How can one find out the least-competitive BEd programs so I don't waste time & money applying to a ton of highly competitive ones?
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I would think schools want young people with energy. |
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politica
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Suwon-si
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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You don't necessarily need a B.Ed. to get into education back home. Many schools now offer alternative certification routes specifically for people who are working or don't want to go back to school for two years.
I'm one semester into a four semester program with a uni back home. Basically, I have to do a lot of distance coursework here, go back for a summer term, and then do my student teaching. I really like this program because they allow you to do your student teaching abroad. Anyhow, it's been good so far for me. Another perk is that this specific program charges the same in-state and out-of-state for students taking fewer than 11 hours.
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Retrain yourself. It's the number one way to change your life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuary
Actuaries mathematically evaluate the likelihood of events and quantify the contingent outcomes in order to minimize losses, both emotional and financial, associated with uncertain undesirable events. Since many events, such as death, cannot be avoided, it is helpful to take measures to minimize their financial impact when they occur. These risks can affect both sides of the balance sheet, and require asset management, liability management, and valuation skills. Analytical skills, business knowledge and understanding of human behavior and the vagaries of information systems are required to design and manage programs that control risk (BeAnActuary 2005a).
The profession has consistently ranked as one of the most desirable in various studies over the years. In 2006, a study by U.S. News & World Report in included actuaries among the 25 Best Professions that it expects will be in great demand in the future (Nemko 2006). In 2010, a study published by job search website CareerCast ranked actuary as the #1 job in the United States (Needleman 2010). The study used five key criteria to rank jobs: environment, income, employment outlook, physical demands and stress. In 2011, the same study ranked the profession as the third best job (Streiber 2011). |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
Retrain yourself. It's the number one way to change your life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuary
Actuaries mathematically evaluate the likelihood of events and quantify the contingent outcomes in order to minimize losses, both emotional and financial, associated with uncertain undesirable events. Since many events, such as death, cannot be avoided, it is helpful to take measures to minimize their financial impact when they occur. These risks can affect both sides of the balance sheet, and require asset management, liability management, and valuation skills. Analytical skills, business knowledge and understanding of human behavior and the vagaries of information systems are required to design and manage programs that control risk (BeAnActuary 2005a).
The profession has consistently ranked as one of the most desirable in various studies over the years. In 2006, a study by U.S. News & World Report in included actuaries among the 25 Best Professions that it expects will be in great demand in the future (Nemko 2006). In 2010, a study published by job search website CareerCast ranked actuary as the #1 job in the United States (Needleman 2010). The study used five key criteria to rank jobs: environment, income, employment outlook, physical demands and stress. In 2011, the same study ranked the profession as the third best job (Streiber 2011). |
I love when people throw stuff like this out. Become a professional engineer! Or maybe a certified accountant! There's plenty of jobs in those fields!
You're not just talking about job re-training here, you're talking about several years of serious intensive study and apprenticeship in a completely unfamiliar field. If that's what you want to do, that's fine, but it will not be relevant to 99% of repatriating ESL teachers. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| DaHu wrote: |
| I would think schools want young people with energy. |
Teaching is a natural progression from whatever field you were in, so lots of older people choose it as a second career. Unlike in Korea, experience (both job and life) is valued in the education sector. You need to have "energy" in the sense that you are enthusiastic and open, but as long as you're healthy your age doesn't matter until you hit that critical age when you'll face age discrimination in any industry. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| silkhighway wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
Retrain yourself. It's the number one way to change your life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuary
Actuaries mathematically evaluate the likelihood of events and quantify the contingent outcomes in order to minimize losses, both emotional and financial, associated with uncertain undesirable events. Since many events, such as death, cannot be avoided, it is helpful to take measures to minimize their financial impact when they occur. These risks can affect both sides of the balance sheet, and require asset management, liability management, and valuation skills. Analytical skills, business knowledge and understanding of human behavior and the vagaries of information systems are required to design and manage programs that control risk (BeAnActuary 2005a).
The profession has consistently ranked as one of the most desirable in various studies over the years. In 2006, a study by U.S. News & World Report in included actuaries among the 25 Best Professions that it expects will be in great demand in the future (Nemko 2006). In 2010, a study published by job search website CareerCast ranked actuary as the #1 job in the United States (Needleman 2010). The study used five key criteria to rank jobs: environment, income, employment outlook, physical demands and stress. In 2011, the same study ranked the profession as the third best job (Streiber 2011). |
I love when people throw stuff like this out. Become a professional engineer! Or maybe a certified accountant! There's plenty of jobs in those fields!
You're not just talking about job re-training here, you're talking about several years of serious intensive study and apprenticeship in a completely unfamiliar field. If that's what you want to do, that's fine, but it will not be relevant to 99% of repatriating ESL teachers. |
I hate it when people write: "I love it when people...."
relax man, it's a good profession, just an alternative and yes, IF you have the money and time to re-train. Of course. But if you can get it done, you won't ever have to worry about a bad job market like all those teachers. More people do it than you know. I know guys in their 50's that are back in school trying to get accounting degrees. People do it even if they have a family. Times are hard. People are looking for security.
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| silkhighway wrote: |
| Died By Bear wrote: |
Retrain yourself. It's the number one way to change your life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuary
Actuaries mathematically evaluate the likelihood of events and quantify the contingent outcomes in order to minimize losses, both emotional and financial, associated with uncertain undesirable events. Since many events, such as death, cannot be avoided, it is helpful to take measures to minimize their financial impact when they occur. These risks can affect both sides of the balance sheet, and require asset management, liability management, and valuation skills. Analytical skills, business knowledge and understanding of human behavior and the vagaries of information systems are required to design and manage programs that control risk (BeAnActuary 2005a).
The profession has consistently ranked as one of the most desirable in various studies over the years. In 2006, a study by U.S. News & World Report in included actuaries among the 25 Best Professions that it expects will be in great demand in the future (Nemko 2006). In 2010, a study published by job search website CareerCast ranked actuary as the #1 job in the United States (Needleman 2010). The study used five key criteria to rank jobs: environment, income, employment outlook, physical demands and stress. In 2011, the same study ranked the profession as the third best job (Streiber 2011). |
I love when people throw stuff like this out. Become a professional engineer! Or maybe a certified accountant! There's plenty of jobs in those fields!
You're not just talking about job re-training here, you're talking about several years of serious intensive study and apprenticeship in a completely unfamiliar field. If that's what you want to do, that's fine, but it will not be relevant to 99% of repatriating ESL teachers. |
I hate it when people write: "I love it when people...."
relax man, it's a good profession, just an alternative and yes, IF you have the money and time to re-train. Of course. But if you can get it done, you won't ever have to worry about a bad job market like all those teachers. |
Haha you're right, I apologize for that. However I still don't think suggesting to an ESL teacher that they should consider becoming an actuary is a constructive suggestion, at least not any more constructive than suggesting they re-train to become a hand surgeon. Have you ever met an actuary or know what the requirements to become one are? It's not just a field you walk into because you want to make money, even if you do have the time and money to re-train. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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Yeah, I work for one of the big robber barrons  but I'm not an actuary! |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Who goes back home? |
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20 years, you're like a citizen there. Everyone in the u.s. is flocking to other countries.
[quote="indramayu"However]After living & working in Korea for a large part of one's professional life (in my case, 20 years in EFL), how many people go back home and find work there? How many stay until retirement in Korea? WHat's the ratio between people who vs. go?
After working in Korea for awhile, I'm looking at life back home but the job prospects look bleak. Even with an MA in TESOL (dime a dozen, eh?), I wonder if I'd end up scrounging around working part-time in several different ESL schools.
How many people turn to the "BEd --> high school" route? I'm thinking of that but, after contacting many programs, the competition looks something fierce. How can one find out the least-competitive BEd programs so I don't waste time & money applying to a ton of highly competitive ones?
David[/quote] |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| DaHu wrote: |
| I would think schools want young people with energy. |
Schools in Korea want younger teachers because they are easier to cheat. Aw, c'mon, work this Saturday. Older teachers just laugh while the younger ones are more likely to do it. |
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krats1976
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I left Korea to go back to teaching in the US... and came back after four years. Teaching in the US is a tough gig, especially if you're used to teaching here.
If you do decide to teach in the States, my recommendation is to find a state that still allows unions with collective bargaining rights. |
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