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FDNY
Joined: 27 Sep 2010
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| I got here in '96. Place was pretty boring because Koreans were so boring. Basically work, drink, sleep. Not much has changed. Koreans are still pretty boring people. Now it is work, drink, fried chicken and sleep. But now there are more foreigners here to do things with. For example I am into brewing, disk sports, model building, camping. I have lots of mates to do these things with. MUCH BETTER. One day Koreans may be more interesting. But it will be a long time. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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generally speaking, too many foreigners are always a minus.
the reason is easy. 1, it lessens the novelty factor and we're all selfish that way.
2, lots of people, means lots of idiots/dweebs/ within that large group. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I agree with a lot being said in this topic. The thing is (like stated) many foreigners come here just to have a year long spring break. Now keep in mind when i first got here i was like yeah have fun for a couple of months, but that whole seeing foreigners be over the top idiot drunks really turned it off for me. Ive seen many foreign guys here too try to play the foreign card and get as many girls as possible and try to appeal to them just because they are foreign. Its pretty sad that they have to use "look im a foreigner, date me!" attempt, because they couldnt get laid back in their home country.
as well as too many foreigners just not caring about what they teach kids or how it turns out for them. Ex. i have a picture of a foreign teacher having 1st or 2nd graders giving a camera the middle finger. this guy works somewhere in seoul. (he is a friend of a friend) and in my eyes a total piece of S**t and shouldnt be working here, let alone with kids anywhere.[/quote]
send me that photo and give me the name of the hagwon. i will pay him a visit. |
lol i have it on laptop at school, but il send u the pic, if you give me your email!. its something that is annoying as hell to be honest. The guy who is a mutual friend was a midnight runner which made me question the party he hung out with. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
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| Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
I think the bigger problem here is that too few turn me on. |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
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| Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
I think the bigger problem here is that too few turn me on. |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
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| rainism wrote: |
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| Do too many foreigners turn you off? |
I think the bigger problem here is that too few turn me on. |
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Ice Tea
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| So the OP is at least 40 years old, going by the date of arrival, unmarried, apparently, no family too consequently. So he's one these eternal bachelors living-the-moment types and he's bummin' because he isn't being offered free sex while he's waiting for the bus anymore? Is that about the jist of it? Pardon me if I've save my sympathy for a more worthy recipient. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| For me, it's not the simple presence of so many other foreigners. It's the presence of so many foreigners who don't take teaching seriously, and who treat Korea as a playground and Koreans as an inferior, insignificant people. Who come here for a year-long Spring Break, too lazy and arrogant to learn the local language and customs, too greedy to say 'Hi' to a Korean for fear of giving out a "free English lesson." |
So many is a relative term. What does so many mean? How do you define taking teaching seriously? Does it simply entail doing your job and being somewhat effective and caring about your students? If so, I would say the vast majority of teachers fit that. I would doubt more than 20% of teachers are as you describe. Many teachers are recent graduates, and a certain percentage will focus too much on partying. That's not unusual.
I don't think that people are simply too lazy to learn the language. The language is a difficult language, there are limited lessons when it comes to learning Korean, people will sometimes laugh at foreigners who attempt to speak the language. Some find the language very difficult and figure they're here to teach English, not learn the language. The country could also encourage the learning of Korean. When I lived in Ilsan, there were zero places where I could learn Korean. I am learning Korean.
I may also add that in China, many of the academies give their teachers Chinese lessons and advertise that.
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| Of course, not all foreigners who come here to teach are like that, and I don't mean to imply such. But the number of those who ARE like that makes me more than a little reluctant to hang out in places where foreigners frequent. Hope I haven't offended anyone by saying so, but that's been my experience, more or less, over the past 15 years of living here. If you're hired to be a teacher, act and dress like a teacher, not like a frat on Spring Break, please. |
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You are speaking of a minority. Just because some foreigners like to party and many of them do, doesn't mean they are not doing an adequate enough job when teaching their students. I don't have the impression that the guys in the bars overwhelmingly don't care at all about their students. I am sorry, but that's not my experience, and I've lived here for about four years. Some take a certain minority of Westerners and make them seem as if they are more than even a quarter of our population. They wouldn't even reach that. I have lived in three different places in Korea, and that's my experience.
Any other long-timer agree? |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 12:34 am Post subject: |
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From my experience I haven't seen any Jersey Shore types like a lot of people mention, but then I don't live in Itaewon and wouldn't want to. What I do know is that lots of the foreigners here get up to some strange things together. Mass games of hide and seek in parks, treasure hunts across the city etc. Very bizarre behaviour for adults to get up to in public. It obviously does no harm and it's just a bit of fun, but I'd hate for any Korean I have anything to do with to associate me with that atypical frivolity
It certainly doesn't portray a responsible, professional image  |
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hapkido1996
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer, I wasn't trying to be offensive, just describing my 15 years of experience here. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| hapkido1996 wrote: |
For me, it's not the simple presence of so many other foreigners. It's the presence of so many foreigners who don't take teaching seriously, and who treat Korea as a playground and Koreans as an inferior, insignificant people. Who come here for a year-long Spring Break, too lazy and arrogant to learn the local language and customs, too greedy to say 'Hi' to a Korean for fear of giving out a "free English lesson."
Of course, not all foreigners who come here to teach are like that, and I don't mean to imply such. But the number of those who ARE like that makes me more than a little reluctant to hang out in places where foreigners frequent. Hope I haven't offended anyone by saying so, but that's been my experience, more or less, over the past 15 years of living here. If you're hired to be a teacher, act and dress like a teacher, not like a frat on Spring Break, please. |
This is a very poor post and riddled with nonsense. The practicalities of the job deter any prevalence of slackers.
Don't you have any empathy with someone who is shortterm juxtaposed against a very difficult and unusable elsewhere language?
High time you went home so that you can start thinking straight again. |
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tideout
Joined: 12 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| Ah, it doesn't take long for the jackals to come out on the internet's unhappiest forum. |
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hapkido1996
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Location: Anyang, Gyeong-gi
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| This is a very poor post and riddled with nonsense. The practicalities of the job deter any prevalence of slackers. |
Who said "prevalence"? I never made any claim about "prevalence." And even if I had, logically speaking, in what way do the "practicalities of the job" ensure that the majority of foreign teachers aren't slackers? I've worked with several slackers who have a hedonistic calculus for calculating just how little they can get away with doing and still keep their job.
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| Don't you have any empathy with someone who is shortterm juxtaposed against a very difficult and unusable elsewhere language? |
I sympathize only with those who likewise show sympathy towards their students and the local population, and who are committed to giving a honest day's work for an honest day's pay. If you're one of those, then I'm not talking about you. If you're one of those who does everthing he can to dodge his contractural obligations, gets drunk and starts fights with Koreans once a month, etc, then...
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| High time you went home so that you can start thinking straight again. |
Thank you for your advice. I'm sure you mean well. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| I've worked with several slackers who have a hedonistic calculus for calculating just how little they can get away with doing and still keep their job. |
Given your vast exposure of 15 years I have no reason to doubt you. But the operative word is 'several' which surely has to equate to an insignificant minority.
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| I'm sure you mean well. |
Of course. Goes without saying. |
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