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Baron
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 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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I'll give you the short version of the story but about 3 months ago, I pulled a runner from my hagwon in Seoul. I returned to my home country and arrived in Korea about a month ago in tow with all of my new documents.
I started my new job and my boss applied for the visa issuance number for me with the local immi. office.
He called me into his office earlier today explaining that my last hagwon had complained to immi. about my departure. He had just been of the phone with the immi. office.
My boss was very understanding and still wants me to work for him. He must however fax a letter to immi. explaining that he is happy for me to work there and he has no problems with my previous "transgression."
Im lucky I have such an understanding boss. Just keep this in mind for those of you intending to jet off like I did. |
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ajosshi
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: ajosshi.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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| Baron wrote: |
I'll give you the short version of the story but about 3 months ago, I pulled a runner from my hagwon in Seoul. I returned to my home country and arrived in Korea about a month ago in tow with all of my new documents.
I started my new job and my boss applied for the visa issuance number for me with the local immi. office.
He called me into his office earlier today explaining that my last hagwon had complained to immi. about my departure. He had just been of the phone with the immi. office.
My boss was very understanding and still wants me to work for him. He must however fax a letter to immi. explaining that he is happy for me to work there and he has no problems with my previous "transgression."
Im lucky I have such an understanding boss. Just keep this in mind for those of you intending to jet off like I did. |
what was your first place like? |
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Baron
Joined: 30 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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It's irrelevant what it was like.
Im just pointing out that the consensus with pulling runners was that there were few consequences for applying for your next E2 visa provided you handed in your ARC card upon departure and didn't break any immi. laws on your preceding sojourn in Korea.
People should just be a little bit more wary than I was. My new boss has discovered that I may have embellished a little bit of my previous work history on my resume due to what he discovered from immi. and has still agreed to hire me Other people may not be so lucky. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| Baron wrote: |
It's irrelevant what it was like.
Im just pointing out that the consensus with pulling runners was that there were few consequences for applying for your next E2 visa provided you handed in your ARC card upon departure and didn't break any immi. laws on your preceding sojourn in Korea.
People should just be a little bit more wary than I was. My new boss has discovered that I may have embellished a little bit of my previous work history on my resume due to what he discovered from immi. and has still agreed to hire me Other people may not be so lucky. |
Would your boss not have to go to a distinct amount of trouble and expence in getting someone else at this stage? Thus engendering a fair-sized chunk of the 'understanding'.
If I were you I'd tell him your side of the story, as soon as you get a congenial moment together.
But first run it past us, so that it can be massaged and made convincing to the Korean ear.  |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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| Baron wrote: |
I started my new job and my boss applied for the visa issuance number for me with the local immi. office.
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It seems that you've been working illegally. You have to get the visa issuance number before you start your job. And I doubt anyone would fly over here without one.
And yes, immi knows everything about everyone. And so will your new employer. I've left jobs off my resume (place wanted a noob, so I didn't list a reference), and immi told them about it. |
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Baron
Joined: 30 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Im well aware I've been working illegally. It's pretty common for people to work unofficial for a few days/weeks in hagwons before they go on the visa run for the E2. Im not saying it's not risky,but pretty common all the same.
My current boss is fine about what happened, I told him my side of the story and it was never mentioned again. He was very understanding.
I believe however that I was very lucky. I thnk a majority of schools would have dismissed me for not telling them about my previous place of employment and the circumstances of my leaving (ie. pulling a runner).
The fact is I didn't break any laws; immi. or otherwise but my old boss was still able to file a complaint that showed up on my record when my current boss applied for my new E2 Visa.
My new boss was required to fax a letter to immi. expaining that he had no problem with my previous transgression and was happy to sponser my new E2 Visa.
I reckon people should be just a tad more wary of what they include in their resume and what they tell potential employers if they have left their last job controversially.
You may not be as lucky as I was if you are caght out lying. |
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koreatimes
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| my last hagwon had complained to immi. about my departure |
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| what was your first place like? |
Title of thread = Advice for those intending to pull a runner
Reading between the lines, I get the impression it wasn't what he did before the runner, it WAS the runner that pissed off the first hagwon and immigration. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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Not sure what the point of this thread is, but something happened once to me after I had left a job. I did not run, I gave a month's notice and left.
I was owed about 2 months' back salary at that point and saw no hope of ever getting paid what I was owed. So I gave my notice and left according to all the rules you are supposed to follow.
When I applied for my next job, somehow this issue came up. My old school claimed that I had walked out with no notice and left them in a very bad way. 
I just told my new boss that the old school didn't pay me and that's why I left. No more questions were asked.
I think most hagwon owners have been around long enough to know what goes on.
Incidently, the next hagwon was a far worse place to work than the earlier one, but at least I got paid every month. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Baron wrote: |
| The fact is I didn't break any laws; immi. or otherwise but my old boss was still able to file a complaint that showed up on my record when my current boss applied for my new E2 Visa. |
Its probably illegal...
- a bit like the blacklist that they can put you on. |
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antsea
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Location: Yongin
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| Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think I saw another thread that said that if you're pulling a runner *because the school have breached contract etc* , then you should preemptively report the school to a government department..labour council or something..
Any info on this? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Baron wrote: |
It's irrelevant what it was like.
Im just pointing out that the consensus with pulling runners was that there were few consequences for applying for your next E2 visa provided you handed in your ARC card upon departure and didn't break any immi. laws on your preceding sojourn in Korea.
People should just be a little bit more wary than I was. My new boss has discovered that I may have embellished a little bit of my previous work history on my resume due to what he discovered from immi. and has still agreed to hire me Other people may not be so lucky. |
So at this new job alone you've committed two violations of law in a very short period of time. (a) Working without a work visa. (b) Submitting forged documents (embellishing a resume for the purposes of obtaining work is considered a forgery in most places.)
I'm not moralizing or preaching at you...but be prepared for things going sour at this job come contract's end and he has to pay out airfare and severance. He could very well use the fact that you lied to obtain employment not to pay you. The fact that he has no problem with you working illegally at his hakwon AND that you "embellished" your work history leads me to think he's a rather shady character. |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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How come someone always want to pull a runner?
| Baron wrote: |
I'll give you the short version of the story but about 3 months ago, I pulled a runner from my hagwon in Seoul. I returned to my home country and arrived in Korea about a month ago in tow with all of my new documents.
I started my new job and my boss applied for the visa issuance number for me with the local immi. office.
He called me into his office earlier today explaining that my last hagwon had complained to immi. about my departure. He had just been of the phone with the immi. office.
My boss was very understanding and still wants me to work for him. He must however fax a letter to immi. explaining that he is happy for me to work there and he has no problems with my previous "transgression."
Im lucky I have such an understanding boss. Just keep this in mind for those of you intending to jet off like I did. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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| How come someone always want to pull a runner? |
Because you get there and either it isn't what was offered, or after 3-4 months the school starts playing games. The school feels they got what they needed from you and now it's time to squeeze you like an orange and throw you out when you run out of juice. You are expendable. Schools can always get more oranges.
For this reason I usually plan my departure the 4th month and make myself unwanted. By the 5th month the school wants to just get rid of me, but since I am not costing them anything they keep me "in the system". Once they get a teacher to replace me, they are more than willing to sign off on anything to transfer me to another school. Of course, I would prefer working a whole year. If the school treats me the same way as they did the 2nd and 3rd month (first month is usually Kimchi King status and are treated nicely), there is a good chance I will stay.
It's the game you got to play. Otherwise, demote yourself half way through a contract period to indentured servant status. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
| Not sure what the point of this thread is... |
He stated his point already.
| Baron wrote: |
Im just pointing out that the consensus with pulling runners was that there were few consequences for applying for your next E2 visa provided you handed in your ARC card upon departure and didn't break any immi. laws on your preceding sojourn in Korea.
People should just be a little bit more wary than I was. |
Not sure what�s so hard to understand here. There are many threads where posters say that you can get new docs, pull a runner, and it�ll have no bearing on your next job. The OP is pointing out that it does, or at the very least, could. |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Advice for those intending to pull a runner: |
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That sucks, probably depends on the school.
| koreatimes wrote: |
| jeremysums wrote: |
| How come someone always want to pull a runner? |
Because you get there and either it isn't what was offered, or after 3-4 months the school starts playing games. The school feels they got what they needed from you and now it's time to squeeze you like an orange and throw you out when you run out of juice. You are expendable. Schools can always get more oranges.
For this reason I usually plan my departure the 4th month and make myself unwanted. By the 5th month the school wants to just get rid of me, but since I am not costing them anything they keep me "in the system". Once they get a teacher to replace me, they are more than willing to sign off on anything to transfer me to another school. Of course, I would prefer working a whole year. If the school treats me the same way as they did the 2nd and 3rd month (first month is usually Kimchi King status and are treated nicely), there is a good chance I will stay.
It's the game you got to play. Otherwise, demote yourself half way through a contract period to indentured servant status. |
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