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Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:51 am Post subject:

eamo wrote:

I was just watching the news and saw the extent to which KEPCO messed up........

They had the hot weather prediction for that day but they had already scaled down output to late-Fall expected levels (to save themselves production costs?).

They knew they would have to turn off power in certain areas to keep power on in other areas.

They chose poorer areas to cut power.

They went ahead and switched off the power without any warning.

Lots of people were stuck in elevators for an hour or more.

There's a lot of anger out there at the attitude of KEPCO over this one. They haven't even issued an apology.

That sounds like a sparkling way of dealing with things. This wasn't even a Texas style heat-wave, and this happens? It felt close to Texas in May/June, though.

rainism

Joined: 13 Apr 2011

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:15 am Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

rainism wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

rainism wrote:

it would help if Koreans realized that modern weather forecasting now beats what they read in the 1900 Korean Farmers Almanac which they all still seem to follow.

Many Canadian farmers swear by it, the Canadian version of it.

I'd expect a bit more from national power company execs though.

no surprise though. Don't many people here repeat ad nauseaum how Korea is a nation of farmers, even in the present day?

So you're saying KEPCO relies on the Farmer's Almanac? Where is this mentioned?

many Koreans around me SEEM to rely on it.
Storekeepers seem to put out things to sell based on what the time of year/Farmer's Almanac seems to say instead of what their eyes and skin tell them is happening on the day(s) in question.

KEPCO's reason is they didn't EXPECT such an elevated demand for power at that time of year (mid September). They also put other plants off line for "maintenance checks", DESPITE the fact the so called "heat wave" was expected and forecast to last till mid September.

so,.. KEPCO is either full of blithering idiots.. or farmer almanac followers.. or most likely.. BOTH

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:07 am Post subject:

eamo wrote:

Not sure about poor areas and such, but Gangnam station and surrounding area had its share of blackouts that day.

rainism

Joined: 13 Apr 2011

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:53 am Post subject:

LMB has obvious political reasons to be "angry".

but can anyone deny the correctness of what he said???

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2011/09/16/91/0301000000AEN20110916010700315F.HTML

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The Ministry of Knowledge Economy, which handles energy affairs, said the accident was largely caused by unexpectedly high demand while many of the country's power plants, including nuclear reactors, were temporarily shut down for maintenance.

Officials said that power was cut to prevent greater damage as the reserve levels were too low.

"The weather agency has been reporting everyday that a late heat wave has come. Have those of you in charge ever wondered that if this trend holds, the electricity demand may spike?" Lee said during a visit to the state-run Korea Electric Power Corp. (KEPCO) in southern Seoul.

"Have you ever called the weather agency? If you had made such calls and made preparations in advance, would an incident like this have happened?" Lee said during the meeting with officials from KEPCO, the energy ministry and power plants. "This just means that you don't have the mindset of serving the people at all."

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:40 am Post subject:

rainism wrote:

so,.. KEPCO is either full of blithering idiots.. or farmer almanac followers.. or most likely.. BOTH

I'd go with idiots. I'd guess they were going with some kind of trend, and if the trend time is a little too short and throw in a few cooler days...

Weigookin74

Joined: 26 Oct 2009

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:36 am Post subject:

Does anyone know what the Korean farmers almanac is called? I'd like to be able to predict future weather. (I mean as much as possible. I know it's never a crystal ball.)

rainism

Joined: 13 Apr 2011

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:45 am Post subject:

Weigookin74 wrote:

Does anyone know what the Korean farmers almanac is called? I'd like to be able to predict future weather. (I mean as much as possible. I know it's never a crystal ball.)

that's very easy.
just use the way the understood the weather to generally work for the last thousand years, even while fudging science for the sake of simplicity. Equinoxes aren't recognized.

for e.g. Fall begins Sep 1.

then completely discount and forget about modern and newly discovered phenomena such as El Nino, and La Nina... and of course,

global warming? what is global warming?

this is Korea.

a good example of being a good Korean would be to work, and make decisions for KEPCO last Thursday.

heat wave? what heat wave? it's mid September. Fall is in full bloom.

another would be to walk around with an umbrella during "monsoon" season, even if it's not actually raining and there isn't a single cloud in the sky.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:27 pm Post subject:

PeteJB wrote:

If the entire world lived and used electricity like Korea does, then we'd be seeing way more power cuts. Eventually, the Earth's resources will not be able to sustain a society like Korea who consumes an enourmous amount of resources. I give it about 50 years before big changes will be forced upon everyone here, and abroad.

The U.S and China both use way more energy and far more of the Earth's resources than Korea.

Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:39 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

The U.S and China both use way more energy and far more of the Earth's resources than Korea.

The U.S., sure. But China per capita?

Nevermind, found a neat list.

Interesting figures:
South Korea: 4346.5
China: 1138.3
U.S.: 7794.8
Canada: 8300.7
Qatar: 21395.8

eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:27 pm Post subject:

Zyzyfer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

The U.S and China both use way more energy and far more of the Earth's resources than Korea.

The U.S., sure. But China per capita?

Nevermind, found a neat list.

Interesting figures:
South Korea: 4346.5
China: 1138.3
U.S.: 7794.8
Canada: 8300.7
Qatar: 21395.8

Damn those Earth-killing Canadians!!

As for the Qatari (?).....they must be just throwing oil down they drain because they have so much!!

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject:

Zyzyfer wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

The U.S and China both use way more energy and far more of the Earth's resources than Korea.

The U.S., sure. But China per capita?

Nevermind, found a neat list.

Interesting figures:
South Korea: 4346.5
China: 1138.3
U.S.: 7794.8
Canada: 8300.7
Qatar: 21395.8

I didn't say anything about per capita and neither did the poster I was responding to. He complained about Korea using so much energy consumption and I simply pointed out that there are several countries that use much more.

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Eventually, the Earth's resources will not be able to sustain a society like Korea who consumers an enourmous amount of resources

In this context per capita is misleading as it doesn't really tell us how much of the world's resources are being used up.

You could have a country with an extremely high per capita usage but a very low population and a country with a much lower per capita usage but with such a high level of population that they actually use far more overall than the first country. For example Korea and China. Korea has about roughly 4 times the energy usage per capita...but China has WAY more than 4 times Korea's population.

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If the entire world lived and used electricity like Korea does, then we'd be seeing way more power cuts.

Well, we'd be much worse off if the entire world lived and used electricity like the U.S or Canada or Qatar.

Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:53 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Well, you two may not have, but I did. And not to attack Korea, but rather out of interest in the issue.

And to be blunt, I regard a country's per capita usage as far more telling than its total percent of global usage.

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You could have a country with an extremely high per capita usage but a very low population and a country with a much lower per capita usage but with such a high level of population that they actually use far more overall than the first country. For example Korea and China. Korea has about roughly 4 times the energy usage per capita...but China has WAY more than 4 times Korea's population.

I'm aware of all of this - I don't know why you'd say it to someone focused on per capita - but uh, thanks for the math lesson I suppose?

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If the entire world lived and used electricity like Korea does, then we'd be seeing way more power cuts.

Well, we'd be much worse off if the entire world lived and used electricity like the U.S or Canada or Qatar.

Very true.

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