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madoka
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| shows your ignorance about football, especially in the UK, where football management is very closely related to skills. |
Then you are correct. I was not aware of the English usage of "top management jobs" which is very different from the American meaning. |
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madoka
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
On the SAT, using "their" in the colloquial way Madoka did (and the way you pointed out as common) is unacceptable. On the SAT, singular is always singular and plural is always plural. On the SAT, it would have been written as "his", "her", or "that teacher's."
I know it's anal, but that's just how the SAT is. |
Chokse, you seem to have a remarkable ability to spout off on topics about which you know very little. After exchanging emails with the College Board, this guy concluded that you can use the �singular they� on the SAT"
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php?/contents/comments/3705/
You'll notice that the College Board admits that they don't even test the "singular they" on the SAT:
"We do not use the singular they in any items and we also do not use it as a testing point."
And if you were to use it in the essay section, they would, in fact, accept it:
"We would accept the �singular they� if it was correctly used in context of the essay and/or sentence structure."
However, if you are going to the trouble of acting that anal retentive about a forum post, you should have also noticed that I was careful never to mention that I teach the SAT. Well, that's because I don't.  I hope you don't either, since I seem to know more about it than you do.
Looks like you need to keep working on your reading comprehension. |
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Chokse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting that the use of the plural 'they' in this way is found in several questions on the practice exams in three of the 2010 SAT prep books (Barrons, Princeton Review, and The College Board). |
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Chokse
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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You did say that your "students" score in the top 1 percentile on the exam. If you are not teaching them SAT, then their scores on the exam have nothing to do with your teaching. Therefore, it is meaningless to say your students score in the top 1% on the exam since it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your teaching. Their scores on the exam have everything to do with the teaching skills of their SAT instructors.
Don't worry, though, I don't teach. I realized years ago that there's no real money in that field of work. There are far easier and less stressful ways to make heaps of money in Korea. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
You did say that your "students" score in the top 1 percentile on the exam. If you are not teaching them SAT, then their scores on the exam have nothing to do with your teaching. Therefore, it is meaningless to say your students score in the top 1% on the exam since it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your teaching. Their scores on the exam have everything to do with the teaching skills of their SAT instructors.
Don't worry, though, I don't teach. I realized years ago that there's no real money in that field of work. There are far easier and less stressful ways to make heaps of money in Korea. |
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Chokse
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:29 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
You CAN make some serious money doing this, but as someone else said, it is very seasonal work. I work at a university but did SAT test prep during the summer and winter sessions at a hagwon in Kangnam... |
According to this quote of yours less than a year ago you were teaching at a university and doing SAT test prep at a hakwon.
Doesn't quite square with your claim about realizing there was no money in teaching YEARS ago.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2543585&highlight=#2543585
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edwardcatflap
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| Doesn't quite square with your claim about realizing there was no money in teaching YEARS ago. |
Well he could have realized there was no money in it years ago but carried on for a while regardless. I'd like to know how he came to think university work was stressful |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting that the use of the plural 'they' in this way is found in several questions on the practice exams in three of the 2010 SAT prep books (Barrons, Princeton Review, and The College Board). |
Barron's and Princeton Review are both crapity, crap, crap. They cheap out by not licensing actual SAT questions and make their own up instead. The problem is that their questions do not reflect the nuances of real questions. I'm willing to bet they paid some college kid $15 per hour to make things up. Certainly that's the quality they have in their books. So while I wouldn't be surprised they messed up, I rather doubt you've seen this issue pop up in actual SATs. I know their methodology and they wouldn't be sloppy like that. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Chokse wrote: |
| You did say that your "students" score in the top 1 percentile on the exam. If you are not teaching them SAT, then their scores on the exam have nothing to do with your teaching. Therefore, it is meaningless to say your students score in the top 1% on the exam since it has absolutely nothing to do with you or your teaching. Their scores on the exam have everything to do with the teaching skills of their SAT instructors. |
I never said that are scoring in the top 1% on the SAT. That's another reading comprehension mistake of yours. I teach them another test and yeah, I have a lot to do with their score increases. That's why I work seven days a week and still have to turn away students because I'm too busy. |
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FMPJ
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting that the use of the plural 'they' in this way is found in several questions on the practice exams in three of the 2010 SAT prep books (Barrons, Princeton Review, and The College Board). |
I'd be very curious to see that in The College Board's book. I've never come across it myself. Barron's and TPR are not accurate for the grammar sections. |
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Chokse
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If you read my other posts you will see that I have not taught university in Korea since the IMF days. The quote you refer to had a typo. I meant to write "worked" at a university. Typos happen.
I came over to Korea as a regular professor (Ph.D) in a field not related to English teaching. I did that from 1996 to 1999, and taught some SAT prep during the vacation periods. I still did some SAT/AP prep after that, but not for the language section of the exam. I stopped doing any teaching back in very early 2001 and have not taught classes of any kind for 10 years, so yes, I did mean "years ago."
However, the SAT exam is related to one of the two businesses I am running now, so I still have to keep up-to-date on the exam itself.
You can get the College Board prep book at Amazon.com. |
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FMPJ
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| You can get the College Board prep book at Amazon.com. |
I know that book inside and out. Perhaps you misunderstood. I'd like a page reference. I believe there are no questions testing third-person singular "they" in that book. Like I said before, I've been in this industry for nine years here and have taught the tests in that book hundreds of times. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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If you read my other posts you will see that I have not taught university in Korea since the IMF days. The quote you refer to had a typo. I meant to write "worked" at a university. Typos happen.
I came over to Korea as a regular professor (Ph.D) in a field not related to English teaching. I did that from 1996 to 1999, and taught some SAT prep during the vacation periods. I still did some SAT/AP prep after that, but not for the language section of the exam. I stopped doing any teaching back in very early 2001 and have not taught classes of any kind for 10 years, so yes, I did mean "years ago."
However, the SAT exam is related to one of the two businesses I am running now, so I still have to keep up-to-date on the exam itself.
You can get the College Board prep book at Amazon.com. |
Since you so kindly invited me to peruse your other posts I did so briefly and found these.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2160847&highlight=#2160847
In the link above you say "I am an ESL (university) teacher here" (using the current tense) in 2009. Another typo doubtless and you meant to say "was".
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2207698&highlight=#2207698
In this one you claim to have worked at several SAT schools over the last ten years...possibly a typo as well and you meant to say "ten years ago"?
As for the regular professor and Ph.D...where exactly in the below story by you does this come in?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=190324&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=301
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. So, I took out loans approaching $30,000 and got my masters.
When I graduated, I spent many months looking for a job in my field and nothing reasonable was being offered. Then, the opportunity to teach in Korea presented itself and I said, "what the heck".
I got to Korea in 1995, back when the won was exchanging at close to 700 won per dollar, and got hooked up with a decent hagwon job (only needed my bachelors degree for this). |
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edwardcatflap
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Yes, two more examples of the present tense written in 2009
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I teach at a university so I have summers and winters off.
I also teach Saturday classes during the semesters, which adds another 15 to 20 million won, so it is a great way to earn some extra money on the side. |
Strange, do we have some kind of Walter Mitty character here I wonder? |
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Chokse
Joined: 22 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ph.D done at Yonsei University and hired by another Korean university after getting the degree. |
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