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austrian123
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| World Traveler wrote: |
Women can make a ton of money in the U.S. as waitresses. Men cannot. (95% of servers are female). Recent statistics show women under 30 in the U.S. are making more money than men under 30 (even not counting all this unclaimed money made at restaurants and bars).
In both the West and in Korea (in the ESL market), women can make more money for less work. They are given preferential treatment. (If you don't believe me, check the stats showing a lower unemployment rate for women than for men.)
Great job opportunities for women in the West (especially for women who are attractive) mean fewer women will be coming to South Korea out of desperation and lack of options. |
Complete and utter nonsense.
The reason why the ratio of male to female english teacher is much higher in favour of males is because many male english teachers come to Korea to have sex with Korean women. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| austrian123 wrote: |
| World Traveler wrote: |
Women can make a ton of money in the U.S. as waitresses. Men cannot. (95% of servers are female). Recent statistics show women under 30 in the U.S. are making more money than men under 30 (even not counting all this unclaimed money made at restaurants and bars).
In both the West and in Korea (in the ESL market), women can make more money for less work. They are given preferential treatment. (If you don't believe me, check the stats showing a lower unemployment rate for women than for men.)
Great job opportunities for women in the West (especially for women who are attractive) mean fewer women will be coming to South Korea out of desperation and lack of options. |
Complete and utter nonsense.
The reason why the ratio of male to female english teacher is much higher in favour of males is because many male english teachers come to Korea to have sex with Korean women. |
Ha, I be that is true. Women don't need to go overseas to have sex or get a boyfriend and they probably wouldn't want to have sex with Korean men anyway. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| Males outnumber females by about 10-1. |
Where did you get that figure from?
Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
| Tompatz wrote: |
| Males outnumber females by about 10-1. |
Where did you get that figure from?
Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female. |
My guess is that women are probably more likely to go to Korea, teach a year or two, then return back to their home country, study, or find work elsewhere. A guy is more likely to camp out, staying a lot longer abroad. So, that means he stays in the country and doesn't have to get an E2 visa other than extending the current one. In that case, the recruiter is out of the picture. They just play matchmaker in case the teacher wants another school.
http://www.englishnkorea.com/download/Statistics_n_Homepages.pdf |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Mr Lee's Monkey"]There's a ton of all sorts of discrimination in Korean ESL hiring. Whether it's "wrong" has no bearing. There are currently job listings on Dave's for Korea that specify female only AND male only. It's been this way for the entire 5 years I've been in Korea. I'm very interested in the current numbers of males and females working in Korean ESL from other countries - what the percentages are. I'm not very interested in matching wits with someone who doesn't know me, and who couldn't be more misguided in his assertions about me or my original post. [b]Get some cheese to go with that whine, fella. [/b] Anybody know the numbers?[/quote
Indeed. I was a bit sensitive. I apologise.
But did you really use the cheese and whine line? Dude, that's terrible! |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| The director of English offered me a job and sent me a contract. The next day I was told the principal wanted a woman instead. |
But your resume would say you are male. Any application would typically ask for gender. The tone of your voice would probably indicate you are male. Unless there is some plausible way to confuse you with a woman, you were rejected for reasons other than gender.
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The director of English interviewed me and wanted to hire me. It was the school principle who rejected me. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
| ZIFA wrote: |
| Tompatz wrote: |
| Males outnumber females by about 10-1. |
Where did you get that figure from?
Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female. |
My guess is that women are probably more likely to go to Korea, teach a year or two, then return back to their home country, study, or find work elsewhere. A guy is more likely to camp out, staying a lot longer abroad. So, that means he stays in the country and doesn't have to get an E2 visa other than extending the current one. In that case, the recruiter is out of the picture. They just play matchmaker in case the teacher wants another school.
http://www.englishnkorea.com/download/Statistics_n_Homepages.pdf |
Well judging by this board alot of the men arrive to meet women so thats why they stick around. The women might get fed up of having no-one to date for over a year so head home. They tell me some women are obsessed with marriage and babies but I've not meet many such ladies. Or maybe that just my circle of friends who aren't baby mad. |
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minos
Joined: 01 Dec 2010
Location: kOREA
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| It depends....some schools actually want pairs of genders. I've never heard of a female native only hagwoneven in rich areas(Unless it's kindy). |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
| Tompatz wrote: |
| Males outnumber females by about 10-1. |
Where did you get that figure from?
Cos my recruiter told me over half of their E2's since 2010 have been female. |
Kimmi stats.
They are publicly posted on different government websites and categorized by country, visa class and gender. They don't break it down by age and I think that would be an interesting statistic.
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| It was the school principle who rejected me. |
He probably dug his heels in after seeing himself being referred to as 'the school principle'.
I would have done the same. |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| It was the school principle who rejected me. |
He probably dug his heels in after seeing himself being referred to as 'the school principle'.
I would have done the same. |
Honestly. What was the point in posting that?
Snarky, snide, rude. Nothing positive being offered. I honestly don't get what you were trying to do with this. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| Snarky, snide, rude. |
Have a look at yourself earlier in the thread.
Can dish it out, but can't take it, huh?!! |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| shifty wrote: |
| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| Snarky, snide, rude. |
Have a look at yourself earlier in the thread.
Can dish it out, but can't take it, huh?!! |
Yes, and that was towards someone else... and I apologised. I would have sent a PM but I don't have enough posts yet. Life is too short to be arguing with people on the internet.
I conflated the OP as someone having a pop at people who can't find a job. I was wrong. If it's that important to you to believe I was passed over for the job for whatever reason you think it was then I'm fine with that. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| Life is too short to be arguing with people on the internet. |
Thanks for this nugget, now I know. Can't help thinking I should avoid your fine example.
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| I conflated the OP as someone having a pop at people who can't find a job. I was wrong. |
For sure, wrong! And when you're wrong it hardly helps using words like 'conflate', just makes things even damn worse.
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| If it's that important to you to believe I was passed over for the job for whatever reason you think it was then I'm fine with that. |
I'm glad you're fine with it, b/c as it turns out, it is very, very important to me. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I heard through the grapevine that a few transgendered women went to teach in Korea and actually made a lot of money. Private lessons all day and night. Bundles, no- wads of cash. They made so much that they were leaving Korea every three months to spend a month in Thailand, a month in the Phillipines, a month in Bali, they are still there btw, making a lot of money and taking all the jobs away from the guys.  |
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