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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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 Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
You two must be newbies or very liberal to the point of it is an injustice to have you in a classroom. Having been here for a very long time, I and probably many other long-termers, know what we are doing.
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Yes, yes I'm a newbie. I've only been in Korea since 2001. I'm also a registered Democrat. Guilty as charged.
So calendar, I take it you'd be perfectly comfortable with a video of you hitting your child in the head uploaded to Youtube? |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
Location: being a hermit
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| I take it you'd be perfectly comfortable with a video of you hitting your child in the head uploaded to Youtube |
If you teach in public school you would know that the homeroom teachers take the students' cell phones before school starts. Also, you assume way too much and, again, you distort what I wrote to fit your discipline preferences.
You do not sound very open-minded and remind me of the militant non-smokers who love to force their ways on others yet complain when others do the exact same thing to them. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
| You do not sound very open-minded and remind me of the militant non-smokers who love to force their ways on others yet complain when others do the exact same thing to them. |
I'm an ex-smoker who enjoys the smell of second-hand smoke. What's your point?
Your analogy fails because smokers primarily only hurt themselves.
The same cannot be said for teachers who hit their students in the head, and encourage others to do the same. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:37 am Post subject: |
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Again you go over the top and distort what I said trying to equate it with those videos. No I do not have to worry about such things. But one observations, you make judgements based upon partial evidence, you do not know what those students did to receive such punishments.
Also, you cannot distinguish between when a teacher goes to far and proper corporal discipline. That is the problem with people like you who do not try to receive wisdom and understanding, you get lazy and throw it all in one category where it is easier to deal with. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Why doesn't the teacher try recording the misbehaving child?
How hard would it be to conceal your cellphone behind the duster or whatever and film the lesson?
When you have footage of the young scamp saying "puk you" or whatever then you can show it to the parents and management so that everyone is clear about what you are being asked to put up with. |
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Son Deureo!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure what wisdom or understanding leads one to think that hitting a child in the head is ever a good idea. If you've lost your temper, you could easily misjudge your own strength and seriously and permanently hurt him. I hope it never comes to that. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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I am not going to continue here as you obviously want to keep distorting what I said to fit your point of view. I know what I am doing and how it should be done. It is a waste of time to continue discussing with those who refuse to see that there are better ways even when it includes what they consider 'violence'.
My suggestion to yiou is not to lump every action into one category and learn both wisdom and understanding. Falsely labeling something is a injustice and a dis-service to students. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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corporal punishment is not about beating a child or losing your temper. I have done it twice.
0ne time it was a 3rd grader who couldn't be controlled by my co teacher and at that time she controlled the class, he swore at my young co teacher, so I took him to the office got him to turn his hands up and hit him across the hands extra hard.... never a problem since then.
Another kid was new to the school and stood up in my class and decided to sit on another kids knee, I took him to the back of the class and turn his hands up and did the same.
corporal punishment is only 1 tool that can be used, but it is by far the one with the best results, if you do it once and the whole school knows what happens if students don't behave, in my class looking down like you are going to sleep is a punishable offence, not doing all your work is a punishable offence, doubt I would be able to do this without the threat.
corporal punishment is like a nuclear weapon, the threat is more valuable than using it.
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| I'm not sure what wisdom or understanding leads one to think that hitting a child in the head is ever a good idea. If you've lost your temper, you could easily misjudge your own strength and seriously and permanently hurt him. I hope it never comes to that. |
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happiness
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| tell him you love him. initmidate him with kindness. i taught more than 1000 hs boys for 2 years and not one ever f++++d me. Maybe 3-5 didnt like me, but never messed with me. kill them with kindness... |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
I am not going to continue here as you obviously want to keep distorting what I said to fit your point of view. I know what I am doing and how it should be done. It is a waste of time to continue discussing with those who refuse to see that there are better ways even when it includes what they consider 'violence'.
My suggestion to yiou is not to lump every action into one category and learn both wisdom and understanding. Falsely labeling something is a injustice and a dis-service to students. |
The thing is, calendar, I'm not looking for better ways to control my classes. I don't need your "wisdom" of hitting students, in the head or anywhere else, when they cause problems. In every situation I've taught in, both in Korea and the US, that would have gotten me fired, and possibly sued or even arrested. Instead, I manage my classes just fine primarily by communicating clearly what I expect in my classroom, keeping students busy and engaged during class time, and rewarding the behavior I want.
For disruptive students, I try to get them back on track, use peer pressure (by threatening to take away a game or other privilege for the entire class), and if that doesn't work, remove them from the class so the rest of the class can't learn. Should that fail, get admin and/or their families involved. This has always been enough for me, my classes run pretty smoothly.
When they OP asked how not to punch his student in the face, I think it's pretty clear he was looking for alternatives to corporal punishment and advice on how to manage his own frustration. It's hard to see how your suggestion to give problem students "a glancing blow" (I'd hate to distort your words) to the head instead was wise or helpful in any way. |
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HANGRY
Joined: 04 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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About him:
He is the ring-leader of a little group notorious for bullying students around the school. The other co-teachers regularly complain about this group's attitudes, about how cruel they are. One veteran teacher says they have never encountered a group like this before at the school.
I'm relatively new here, so I haven't gotten the full treatment yet, but I got the feeling it is coming. I deal with lazy or immature kids all day who are pretty much good-natured. But this guy is a future gangster. No moral compass.
What he does besides just not listening or not participating is basically everything he can to disrupt a class including hitting other students, shouting and drawing obscenities (in Korean and English), and taunting everyone including my coteacher, me, and the other students. Now, I can deal with all this, but I'm just worried that if he tries hitting or touching me, I might go off on him.
All of this wouldn't be an issue if there were steps in place for discipline. Basically, the issue here is that there is really nothing I can do. The entire system at my school was built about the ability to hit the students, and ever since the law changed the teachers really don't have much of a system in place.
1) There is no way to just "kick him out of the class" It is against our school policy.
2) If I just exclude him, (like make him stand in the back) he will just act up from there.
3) Can't send him to the principal's office or contact his parents like in the States.
4) Detention is meaningless. We have something of a point system, but this kid has racked up so many points that he is basically already doing community service for the rest of his high school life.
5) Nobody wants to expel him. Apparently he is on "the line" but nobody with the power to do so is quite ready to do that yet apparently.
So the frustration comes from having no real ability to police anything. I can shout and I can scream and I can threaten, but this kid is well aware it is all bark and no bite.
I talked to a co-teacher about it, and basically we are just trying to set up an environment where we can possibly defuse any possible situations, but basically every class with him and this group is a lost cause. It really feels like babysitting when it comes to this class. |
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pucciniphile
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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When I feel angry at the children,
I channel my anger by thinking about someone else I'm angry at. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
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| Malislamusrex wrote: |
| corporal punishment is not illegal anywhere accept for Seoul, I do it all the time and it works just fine in a PS, doubt you could do it in a Hagwan. |
Nope it's also banned in Gyeonggi
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/08/113_71445.html
It says corporal punishment is to banned from next year. That article was written in 2010. Now it is "next year". |
One question. Why did you ignore the Federal edict which trumps provincial ones? |
Link please. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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