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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, who would want to come back here, if you're advanced enough to travel in time? |
Granted there are many other times that would be fascinating to visit, but why wouldn't someone come back to now? We live in a very fascinating time...A great power, the marvel of its time, commits 'suicide' because half its people believe that if you click your ruby slippers together three times and say, "There's no place like home. The magic free market will fix everything and all will be hunky dory and spiffy keen."
Spain started its downward tragectory in 1588 and didn't reach the bottom until 1898, then spent 7 decades working out its future. China chose to pull back in the early 1400s and didn't come out of that debacle for 500 years and then took another 70 years to straighten itself out. There will be scholars of the future who will be curious why the US chose to follow the same path and would like to visit the moment we decided to shoot ourselves in both feet. |
No, no, the magic of green energy and green jobs will save us.
Also, in the future . . .
EVERY THREAD MUST BE ABOUT ECONOMIC POLICY |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:34 am Post subject: |
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No, no, the magic of green energy and green jobs will save us.
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The French used the color red for revolution and the color white for counter-revolution. I rather like the color purple...and if these neutrino things really are doing what that group found, then we need a new color name for the industries that will come out of it. I would be happy if we chose The Color Purple. Purple is a nice progressive color. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The best comment I ever heard about time travel: It must be impossible since no one from the future has ever come back to visit us from the future...but maaaaaaybe, we will find a way to travel into space. |
Unless they decided not to go backwards. They might decide it's too risky - in the same way that a 21st century human might very quickly succumb to some nasty disease if he/she went back a few hundred years, we may now have illnesses which would kill somebody from 2450AD.
Anyway, who would want to come back here, if you're advanced enough to travel in time? |
Are you an adherent of Michele Bachmann?  It's fairly certain that a vaccine from today would protect you from the Black Death of 1348. It just would...if nothing else, the first time a time traveler felt a bit peevish, he could pop back to his own time and get an antidote. Just because characters in sci fi novels get trapped back in time doesn't mean real people would.
Now your point that the future may have forgotten things that we know...somehow, if they can figure out time travel, I am (maybe foolishly) confident that they will remember common everyday medicine. I do realize that I have not the first idea how to make an effective bow and arrow...I know what they look like and I understand the principles involved, but don't have a clue about selecting the right type of tree or how to make an arrowhead out of a stone...but I have confidence that if I am smart enough to figure out how to travel through time, I would have the smarts to check the knowledge base and find out how to make a fire without turning the dial on my stove. |
There may have been strains of illness back then which aren't around now. There are also environmental factors to take into consideration - if you live in an area with a high prevalence of a certain disease, you will build up some of immunity to it, whereas if it's completely new to you it could be fatal. I suppose you could quarantine people coming back from the past for a few days to make sure they're not bringing a modern day plague back, though. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Anyway, who would want to come back here, if you're advanced enough to travel in time? |
Granted there are many other times that would be fascinating to visit, but why wouldn't someone come back to now? We live in a very fascinating time...A great power, the marvel of its time, commits 'suicide' because half its people believe that if you click your ruby slippers together three times and say, "There's no place like home. The magic free market will fix everything and all will be hunky dory and spiffy keen."
Spain started its downward tragectory in 1588 and didn't reach the bottom until 1898, then spent 7 decades working out its future. China chose to pull back in the early 1400s and didn't come out of that debacle for 500 years and then took another 70 years to straighten itself out. There will be scholars of the future who will be curious why the US chose to follow the same path and would like to visit the moment we decided to shoot ourselves in both feet. |
I just imagine that time travel would be fairly expensive, and people might prefer to spend the money going forwards rather than backwards. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, who would want to come back here, if you're advanced enough to travel in time? |
Granted there are many other times that would be fascinating to visit, but why wouldn't someone come back to now? We live in a very fascinating time...A great power, the marvel of its time, commits 'suicide' because half its people believe that if you click your ruby slippers together three times and say, "There's no place like home. The magic free market will fix everything and all will be hunky dory and spiffy keen."
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I hope they use daveseslcafe as primary source material for the most cutting-edge political philosophy of the day.  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, who would want to come back here, if you're advanced enough to travel in time? |
Granted there are many other times that would be fascinating to visit, but why wouldn't someone come back to now? We live in a very fascinating time...A great power, the marvel of its time, commits 'suicide' because half its people believe that if you click your ruby slippers together three times and say, "There's no place like home. The magic socialist government will fix everything and all will be hunky dory and spiffy keen."
Spain started its downward tragectory in 1588 and didn't reach the bottom until 1898, then spent 7 decades working out its future. China chose to pull back in the early 1400s and didn't come out of that debacle for 500 years and then took another 70 years to straighten itself out. There will be scholars of the future who will be curious why the US chose to follow the same path and would like to visit the moment we decided to shoot ourselves in both feet. |
Fixed it for ya.
The belief in the ability of government to solve problems is the old wrong-headed idea that underpins the failures of civilizations throughout history. Governments create the problems they cannot fix and eventually fail.
Most Socialists are self-deluded utopianists, although their favorite leaders are totally aware that their propaganda is just a pack of sweet lies they utilize to gain power, making them evil, fascist-socialists.
The free market is able to solve problems because it is a rational system that makes use of the entire human population and allows every individual to seek out and follow his or her own choices. This maximizes the best outcomes and results in the most efficent allocation of resources, fastest economic growth and fairest distribution possible. It is not utopia.
The "free" part of the free market means that those actors who wish to help their fellow man are free to maximize the caring they offer as well. This is when we discover that the evil fascist-socialists help no one, because in a free market it is those people who choose not to help, despite the rhetoric they chose to use in seeking the power and pelf that are their real goals.
Such do-gooders actually do no good in their private lives and reveal their true selves in the process. Take a look at the politicians who enriched themselves but cared for no one while crying alligator tears on the public stage. Start with the Clintons who couldn't buy a house at 5% down before Bill's first election and have sucked in over 200 million dollars beginning with a $100,000 bribe from Tyson foods disguised as commodity trading profits. All for them and nothing for the poor.
The reason that the self-deluded socialists, such as Yata, are so afraid of the free market is because it promises no magic solutions and no utopia. Instead it promises that every economic actor will have to work and create something of value and participate in a peaceful society and the open marketplace. It promises that every person will have the opportunity to succeed and to help others, but they will have to work. It specifically promises that there are no magic solutions. This reality check is too much for the self-deluded who think the government has magic powers to solve problems, and so they continue to live in their self-created fantasies. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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I ask you not to take these political arguments light years away, but merely to one of the MANY proper threads nearby.
Ya-Ta, you totally started this. You hijacked a science current events thread with a talking point. Can you hear all the less political people clicking their tongues at the insatiable ideological obsessions of the current events board? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| damn, how awesome would it be to be born 300-500 years in the future??? damn i would love to be one of the first colonizers of new worlds haha maybe in this lifetime! |
To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I expect that in the not-too-distant future (150 - 200 years from now), mankind will develop to the point of building fast ships (not approaching light speed) that will be sent out to colonize such worlds. These ships will be designed to be self-sustaining and to travel for hundreds of years allowing generations of individuals to live on board until they reach their new home. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ATM SPIDERTAO wrote: |
| damn, how awesome would it be to be born 300-500 years in the future??? damn i would love to be one of the first colonizers of new worlds haha maybe in this lifetime! |
To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I expect that in the not-too-distant future (150 - 200 years from now), mankind will develop to the point of building fast ships (not approaching light speed) that will be sent out to colonize such worlds. These ships will be designed to be self-sustaining and to travel for hundreds of years allowing generations of individuals to live on board until they reach their new home. |
This is the most likely scenario. Humans would utilize advanced propulsion and cryogenics and trips would take generations to complete.
But note that the distances involved are nearly insurmountable. Note that a ship travelling 200,000 mph would take 3,348 years to finish its journey to a planet 35 light years away. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I guess you missed this post:
Speed of light broken at CERN, scientists claim |
Great, a neutrino was found travelling just faster than the speed of light. How does that get us to warp-drive propulsion? |
The same way a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound gets us to supersonic flight?
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience. |
The speed of sound is 786 miles per hour. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND.
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience my ass. |
Man, talk about pessimistic. With your attitude we'd never crossed the Atlantic ocean, gone to the moon or any of man's greatest achievements. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive me I am a humanities graduate but has anyone heard about using tiny, tiny machines shot out into space in a cloud to expore different star systems.
I cannot rememeber where I heard it from but the idea was that these machines would be so small they could be sent at near to the speed of light. You could then use them to study a different star and its planets.
As these stars are around 35-60 light years away it would be useful. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I guess you missed this post:
Speed of light broken at CERN, scientists claim |
Great, a neutrino was found travelling just faster than the speed of light. How does that get us to warp-drive propulsion? |
The same way a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound gets us to supersonic flight?
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience. |
The speed of sound is 786 miles per hour. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND.
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience my ass. |
Man, talk about pessimistic. With your attitude we'd never crossed the Atlantic ocean, gone to the moon or any of man's greatest achievements. |
Really bad analogies. The distances are not comparable.
A species able to traverse from star system to star system would have godlike powers. You're right, I don't think technology alone can bridge this gap.
I think sci fi has made the all but completely impossible look all too easy. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Angry Bird Rios wrote: |
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| To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I guess you missed this post:
Speed of light broken at CERN, scientists claim |
Great, a neutrino was found travelling just faster than the speed of light. How does that get us to warp-drive propulsion? |
The same way a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound gets us to supersonic flight?
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience. |
The speed of sound is 786 miles per hour. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND.
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience my ass. |
Man, talk about pessimistic. With your attitude we'd never crossed the Atlantic ocean, gone to the moon or any of man's greatest achievements. |
Really bad analogies. The distances are not comparable.
A species able to traverse from star system to star system would have godlike powers. You're right, I don't think technology alone can bridge this gap.
I think sci fi has made the all but completely impossible look all too easy. |
You say that with hindsight. I'm not saying it's happening for our generation or another couple but your completely dismissal of the idea I think is premature. I can write this with my mobile phone on the internet. Try explaining that to someone a 100 years ago.... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Angry Bird Rios wrote: |
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| To colonize such a world we'd have to develop warp drives. Warp drives are measured by how much faster they are than the speed of light. Thus a warp 1 drive would go the speed of light. It is very unlikely that our propulsion systems would even ever reach light speed, or warp 1. Remember that the speed of light is just over 186,000 miles per SECOND. Find a propulsion system that can power a spacecraft that can travel 186,000 miles per HOUR and then we'll begin to have that conversation. |
I guess you missed this post:
Speed of light broken at CERN, scientists claim |
Great, a neutrino was found travelling just faster than the speed of light. How does that get us to warp-drive propulsion? |
The same way a bullet traveling faster than the speed of sound gets us to supersonic flight?
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience. |
The speed of sound is 786 miles per hour. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per SECOND.
Hard work, dedication, innovation, and patience my ass. |
Man, talk about pessimistic. With your attitude we'd never crossed the Atlantic ocean, gone to the moon or any of man's greatest achievements. |
Really bad analogies. The distances are not comparable.
A species able to traverse from star system to star system would have godlike powers. You're right, I don't think technology alone can bridge this gap.
I think sci fi has made the all but completely impossible look all too easy. |
Never say never. We won't be alive for it, but you can't write it off. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Really bad analogies. The distances are not comparable.
A species able to traverse from star system to star system would have godlike powers. You're right, I don't think technology alone can bridge this gap.
I think sci fi has made the all but completely impossible look all too easy. |
I dunno. In a way humanity already has achieved "godlike powers", compared to even just a few hundred years ago. Ancient societies could scarcely have even conceived of things like planes, trains, and automobiles, never mind nuclear technology, satellites, or people talking to each other face-to-face from across the world on tiny gadgets called 'smart-phones' etc...
The point is that humanity is capable of reinventing the wheel. If we think only in terms of 3 dimensions + time in regards to space travel, then it may seem like an impossibility. But there are other dimensions and other forces in the universe that we are only beginning to understand. The science-fiction concept of "hyperspace", for example, may seem quaint and fantastical to people who grew up reading Isaac Asimov or watching Star Wars, but if the fiction were to actually become a reality (through revolutionary discoveries and improved technology), it would open up a whole new frontier. I don't know if it will happen in our lifetime, but I can conceive of such things coming to pass. |
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