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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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 Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
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| No, I gave up bikes. |
Never say never. I myself thought I was done and dusted with bikes after my school years.
But I came back.
It might not be today, nor tomorrow, but I can readily envisage a time when poster calendar swoops along in the breeze, his face aflush with the joy of freedom. His only regret that he could never thank those who made him see the light.
I want him to know that he can pedal on without remorse, discount for his misapprehensions already given.
And let no man stand in his path!! |
Funny  No my cycling days are over. It was fun when I did it but those days won't return for me. Too many immature and dangerous westerners here who think they can power through a pedestrian filled area without having to brake. 
As I think on this topic, when I observe cyclists on the paths and roads, too many think they are in the middle of an Olympic race and take it too seriously. When I was young biking was for fun, something to do to unwind, relax and enjoy the outdoors. It was also an alternative to walking not driving. |
You have to be kidding. My dead grandmother could ride faster than most of the cyclists I see riding in Korea. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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I've never seen a traffic jam caused by cyclists. Since you requested a link earlier in the thread, I'll return the favor and ask for a link with cyclists causing traffic jams. |
google 'critical mass'. |
That's an organized ride, not a few cyclists. Besides, waiting for them to pass through an intersection would be roughly the same amount of inconvenience as waiting for an emergency vehicle to pass (if you lived in a country where motorists actually do that. |
You said 'I've never seen a traffic jam caused by cyclists'. You even asked for a link!
I said, 'google critical mass' which is essentially a ride AIMED at creating a traffic jam.
To which you responded with 'that's an organized ride, not a few cyclists'?
You're almost as funny as that other guy.
If you're going to backtrack and start adding conditions to every ignorant statement you make, maybe give a heads up beforehand, eh?
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
You have to be kidding. My dead grandmother could ride faster than most of the cyclists I see riding in Korea. |
I'm going to go ahead and call shenanigans on that one.
No self-respecting zombie is going to tool around on a bike so you can make up b.s. statements like the above. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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I've never seen a traffic jam caused by cyclists. Since you requested a link earlier in the thread, I'll return the favor and ask for a link with cyclists causing traffic jams. |
google 'critical mass'. |
That's an organized ride, not a few cyclists. Besides, waiting for them to pass through an intersection would be roughly the same amount of inconvenience as waiting for an emergency vehicle to pass (if you lived in a country where motorists actually do that. |
You said 'I've never seen a traffic jam caused by cyclists'. You even asked for a link!
I said, 'google critical mass' which is essentially a ride AIMED at creating a traffic jam.
To which you responded with 'that's an organized ride, not a few cyclists'?
You're almost as funny as that other guy.
If you're going to backtrack and start adding conditions to every ignorant statement you make, maybe give a heads up beforehand, eh? |
Funny stuff.
Those are organized rides and their design is open to conjecture. Sorry that you can't make the intellectual leap to perceive that I was posting about normal cycling/riding conditions in responding to the OP's claim that cyclists cause traffic jams, and that these were regular occurrences was obviously implied.
But hey keep putting your exceptional circumstances out there as proof if it makes you feel better, even though you oh so obviously missed the point. Funny. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
Funny stuff.
Those are organized rides and their design is open to conjecture. Sorry that you can't make the intellectual leap to perceive that I was posting about normal cycling/riding conditions in responding to the OP's claim that cyclists cause traffic jams, and that these were regular occurrences was obviously implied.
But hey keep putting your exceptional circumstances out there as proof if it makes you feel better, even though you oh so obviously missed the point. Funny. |
Again, retreating to add one condition after another to your ignorant statement isn't making you look any smarter.
Like I said, next time just give a heads up. As much as I like educating silly people like yourself, it can get monotonous at times. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
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Funny stuff.
Those are organized rides and their design is open to conjecture. Sorry that you can't make the intellectual leap to perceive that I was posting about normal cycling/riding conditions in responding to the OP's claim that cyclists cause traffic jams, and that these were regular occurrences was obviously implied.
But hey keep putting your exceptional circumstances out there as proof if it makes you feel better, even though you oh so obviously missed the point. Funny. |
Again, retreating to add one condition after another to your ignorant statement isn't making you look any smarter.
Like I said, next time just give a heads up. As much as I like educating silly people like yourself, it can get monotonous at times. |
So what you're saying is that you're so literal minded that you need things spelled out for you in advance.
Your excuse-making for a link that failed to address my question is what's getting monotonous. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Again, retreating to add one condition after another to your ignorant statement isn't making you look any smarter.
Like I said, next time just give a heads up. As much as I like educating silly people like yourself, it can get monotonous at times. |
So what you're saying is that you're so literal minded that you need things spelled out for you in advance.
Your excuse-making for a link that failed to address my question is what's getting monotonous. |
Is that what I said? Where?
Ah, mate, you know what? I think I've figured it out! Since you're so adamant in your assertions that you said something you clearly didn't, I've gone back and reread the thread.
Conclusion? It's reading comprehension combined with a lack of critical thinking and an overwhelming desire to not be shown up that has you all obnoxious-like.
Calendar said cyclists clog up roads and you replied that you'd never seen that and requested a link to such. I understood that to mean that you didn't know about critical mass so I offered up an educational suggestion to which you delved off into a tirade about what you do or do not mean when you type things out.
So my attempts to alleviate you of your ignorance of that event went unappreciated and instead we're left to watch you regurgitate your incessant drivel qualifying your posts in an attempt to discredit 'organized' cyclists that cause traffic jams.
And this brings me back to your reading comprehension and critical thinking problems. By your own acknowledgement (feigned or otherwise) of that event, you are aware of cyclists causing traffic jams.
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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Again, retreating to add one condition after another to your ignorant statement isn't making you look any smarter.
Like I said, next time just give a heads up. As much as I like educating silly people like yourself, it can get monotonous at times. |
So what you're saying is that you're so literal minded that you need things spelled out for you in advance.
Your excuse-making for a link that failed to address my question is what's getting monotonous. |
Is that what I said? Where?
Ah, mate, you know what? I think I've figured it out! Since you're so adamant in your assertions that you said something you clearly didn't, I've gone back and reread the thread.
Conclusion? It's reading comprehension combined with a lack of critical thinking and an overwhelming desire to not be shown up that has you all obnoxious-like.
Calendar said cyclists clog up roads and you replied that you'd never seen that and requested a link to such. I understood that to mean that you didn't know about critical mass so I offered up an educational suggestion to which you delved off into a tirade about what you do or do not mean when you type things out.
So my attempts to alleviate you of your ignorance of that event went unappreciated and instead we're left to watch you regurgitate your incessant drivel qualifying your posts in an attempt to discredit 'organized' cyclists that cause traffic jams.
And this brings me back to your reading comprehension and critical thinking problems. By your own acknowledgement (feigned or otherwise) of that event, you are aware of cyclists causing traffic jams.
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Do cyclists frequently clog up roads? I haven't seen this. Not in Seoul and not in London; which has a high cyclist count. They may pose a hazard to other road users but clogging up roads? Nope!
Yes, critical mass rides do clog up roads but this is intentional and a pre-arranged meet.
It's like saying you should ban walking because too many people might clog up the sidewalks. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:21 am Post subject: |
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Do cyclists frequently clog up roads? I haven't seen this. Not in Seoul and not in London; which has a high cyclist count. They may pose a hazard to other road users but clogging up roads? Nope!
Yes, critical mass rides do clog up roads but this is intentional and a pre-arranged meet.
It's like saying you should ban walking because too many people might clog up the sidewalks. |
I haven't seen it either. I don't agree with calendar's post but saying that cyclists don't clog up roads isn't accurate either.
Sometimes they intentionally clog up roads! |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I haven't seen it either. |
Actually, I take that back. I've seen it numerous times with club rides, and even been a part of it. Actually got pulled over by a policeman riding through a community with about 20 other guys one time for taking up the road while there was a string of cars behind us.
Our fault really, as that area has made it abundantly clear that everyone has to go single file, but still, stuff happens. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
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Again, retreating to add one condition after another to your ignorant statement isn't making you look any smarter.
Like I said, next time just give a heads up. As much as I like educating silly people like yourself, it can get monotonous at times. |
So what you're saying is that you're so literal minded that you need things spelled out for you in advance.
Your excuse-making for a link that failed to address my question is what's getting monotonous. |
Is that what I said? Where?
Ah, mate, you know what? I think I've figured it out! Since you're so adamant in your assertions that you said something you clearly didn't, I've gone back and reread the thread.
Conclusion? It's reading comprehension combined with a lack of critical thinking and an overwhelming desire to not be shown up that has you all obnoxious-like.
Calendar said cyclists clog up roads and you replied that you'd never seen that and requested a link to such. I understood that to mean that you didn't know about critical mass so I offered up an educational suggestion to which you delved off into a tirade about what you do or do not mean when you type things out.
So my attempts to alleviate you of your ignorance of that event went unappreciated and instead we're left to watch you regurgitate your incessant drivel qualifying your posts in an attempt to discredit 'organized' cyclists that cause traffic jams.
And this brings me back to your reading comprehension and critical thinking problems. By your own acknowledgement (feigned or otherwise) of that event, you are aware of cyclists causing traffic jams.
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Wow! A dissertation-length post that still misses the point that's as obvious as the nose on your face. But I've got to give you credit for throwing around the educational jargon, at least you're working hard to fake it. And I notice you're giving your thesaurus a workout as well--bully! Although how you came up with tirade I've no idea unless you think anyone who points our your misunderstanding is on a jeremiad.
But you're still wrong. Your link/statements are the equivalent of claiming earthquakes cause traffic jams. Or any other one off, like maybe a hostage situation, that happens to disrupt traffic. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I haven't seen it either. |
Actually, I take that back. I've seen it numerous times with club rides, and even been a part of it. Actually got pulled over by a policeman riding through a community with about 20 other guys one time for taking up the road while there was a string of cars behind us.
Our fault really, as that area has made it abundantly clear that everyone has to go single file, but still, stuff happens. |
I think there's a difference between slowing down traffic and causing a traffic jam, at least the kind of traffic jams you get in a big city like Seoul. |
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philipswoodjnr
Joined: 03 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| In korea the rule is the biggest object (truck,car bike ,person) can do what evre they want as far as I can tell... |
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UknowsI
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Of course cyclists can make traffic jams. It takes very little to cause a traffic jam if the traffic is heavy. The typical example is how accidents in opposite direction on highways cause traffic jams because people will slow slightly down while watching. Not that people bike on the highway, but a slight slowdown is sometimes enough to cause a traffic jam.
On the other hand, cars cause much more congestion than bikes. Especially when 1 person ride in each car, it would be much more efficient if more people took up biking. While I don't have any good sources, and I would like to hear from somebody who knows more about it, I have heard it is a major problem in China that people are switching out their bikes with cars, not only because of the pollution, but also because of the traffic.
A single bike in an environment not well suited for bikes can cause more problems than good, but I think the solution is to make the traffic more bikerfriendly and not to ban bikes. |
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spicy
Joined: 25 Oct 2009
Location: Sinchon / Ewha / Hongdae
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:51 am Post subject: |
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i regularly rode the north side of the river, until switching to the south side earlier this summer. the paths are wider but more full of stupid people around yeouido.
the guidelines i follow:
-get an electronic siren (those annoying WOOPWOOP ones). the only thing that scares me is finding i've run down the battery at a critical moment
-ride the same route regularly -- you'll learn where stupidity regularly happens
-assume that anyone that you can see is going to do the dumbest thing at the worst moment (adopted from riding motorcycles in the US)
-adopt the korean style "cover every single bit of your face" technique (the thin neck sock tube thing + sunglasses) -- doubly effective due to a) them not seeing that you're a foreigner, at least not immediately, and b) helping to keep dirt and dust out of your throat while following construction vehicles that are on the paths EVERY SINGLE TIME you go out
-if possible (but generally not for those who work), ride on weekday early afternoon/EARLLYYYYY sunday
-when in doubt, use the siren. also handy is an aggressive 야 (yah) followed by 비겨 (bee-kyeo) (("hey, get out of the way" rudely)).
nobody here ever teaches kids proper road etiquette, so just always assume they a) are listening to an MP3, b) don't know how to ride straight (esp middle/high school girls on those blasted tandem rental bikes), and c) they are trying their hardest to get in your way.
2x accident survivor, 98739534753x near miss survivor,
~Spicy |
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