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Mayweather Vs Ortiz
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol at Ortiz (the freaking title holder at the time) being an "unknown" and calling a legal blow a cheap shot. Its strange people call out Mayweather for this "cheap shot" but forget that Ortiz threw an obvious headbutt just seconds prior.

The more I think about it, I'm not even sure it's a "cheap shot." As a fighter myself, if the ref started the fight and my opponent was just looking at me with his hands down, I would blast him. Why wouldn't you? Would you criticize a soccer player if he scored a goal while the goalie "wasn't ready?"
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Lol at Ortiz (the freaking title holder at the time) being an "unknown" and calling a legal blow a cheap shot. Its strange people call out Mayweather for this "cheap shot" but forget that Ortiz threw an obvious headbutt just seconds prior.

The more I think about it, I'm not even sure it's a "cheap shot." As a fighter myself, if the ref started the fight and my opponent was just looking at me with his hands down, I would blast him. Why wouldn't you? Would you criticize a soccer player if he scored a goal while the goalie "wasn't ready?"


Yeah, but you ain't claiming to be greater than Ali.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stout wrote:

Yeah, but you ain't claiming to be greater than Ali.


I don't think that's such a big deal either. Ali was great sure but so is Mayweather. Whether you like him or not, he will be etched in Boxing's history as one of the greats of his generation. Now if he claims to be better than Joe Louis that's a different matter.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Stout wrote:

Yeah, but you ain't claiming to be greater than Ali.


I don't think that's such a big deal either. Ali was great sure but so is Mayweather. Whether you like him or not, he will be etched in Boxing's history as one of the greats of his generation. Now if he claims to be better than Joe Louis that's a different matter.


He's basically claiming to be the best of all-time, better than Ali, Louis, or whoever, which is why he's eager to win at any cost.
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Joe Boxer



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the pro ranks, boxers have to watch for cheap shots, and have to learn to use them too.

Ortiz's headbutt was wasn't the least bit subtle, and Mayweather easily leaned out of the way. Ortiz deserved some payback, so firing a couple of hard shots when he's not expecting it would seem in order.

I think the big problem is that Mayweather actually ended the fight with the cheap shots. He has too much power to be teeing off on a guy, unexpectedly.

He gave Arturro Gatti the same treatment in 2005, when Gatti turned his head to complain to the ref.
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mrcolin1



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boxing is rigged. This fight was a sham
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that I think about it, Ortiz doesn't deserve a rematch. He'll just get the beatdown that he would have gotten had Mayweather not punched him like that.

That said, it's a shame Sergio Martinez is a middleweight and can't go down to welterweight. Martinez basically has nobody decent to fight in his weight class and Mayweather and Pac-man won't go up in weight to fight him. I really wonder what it would take for boxing to clean up its horrendously dirty act and give the fans what they want.
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Koreadays



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrcolin1 wrote:
boxing is rigged. This fight was a sham


yep, and has been for centuries!
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