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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Indeed.
The guy in that video is a joke. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Amen. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Indeed.
The guy in that video is a joke. |
Yes, astonishing that the poster here would choose to believe a sad rambling paranoid hippie over reports from several outlets of a mass grave containing over 1200 bodies (well, he/she didn't even look at it). Oh that and the rambling Ghaddaffi telling the world he is fighting back and winning  . |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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I think I have to take exception to your use of the word 'hippie' here. Even the most stoned, whacked-out hippie I ever ran into at the acid kool-aide parties back in the day made more sense than the guy at the link.
I think you should apologize to all good hippies everywhere.  |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: |
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bleaughh. If only that were true mate, are you telling me stoners and hippies aren't drawn to a little conspiracy about like, you know, like the CIA and err, Haliburton man and, and like corporate America, you know?  |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Flinging through the air
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, the CIA, Halliburton, and corporate America, all just a wacky conspiracy, eh?  |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:31 am Post subject: |
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There will be no political favouritism in the awarding of oil contracts.
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The National Transitional Council's British co-ordinator has revealed their hopes that the "new Libya" will be a byword for "transparency, accountability and competitiveness."
Guma el-Gamati told Andrew Marr that future contracts would be awarded through transparent processes, not favouring international allies of the opposition force. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8X-IHrFHE
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14779108
Its the only way, if any favouritism were employed in the selection of tenders for oil contracts then this would be the top of the slippery slope back to the cleptocracy of the Ghaddaffi days. Good news. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| ^ if you actually believe a word of that, then I've got an oil rig or two I'd like to sell you... |
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Butterfly
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ if you actually believe a word of that, then I've got an oil rig or two I'd like to sell you... |
I was hoping that would annoy you. |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ if you actually believe a word of that, then I've got an oil rig or two I'd like to sell you... |
How could she not believe it? It was said by a (transitional) government official!
And not only does she believe that, she also believes that a couple of bone fragments and clothes = 1200 human bodies!
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Yes, astonishing that the poster here would choose to believe a sad rambling paranoid hippie over reports from several outlets of a mass grave containing over 1200 bodies (well, he/she didn't even look at it). |
Here is the BBC story headline: More than 1,200 bodies found in Tripoli mass grave but if you actually read the article instead of the purposely misleading headline, you see this is an outright lie:
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| Several bone fragments and pieces of clothing have already been found in the top soil. |
Maybe you don't like my sources, but you couldn't do any worse than yours, a government official, and a NTC one at that! Yeah, they are really likely to give an objective report. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Angry Bird Rios wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ if you actually believe a word of that, then I've got an oil rig or two I'd like to sell you... |
How could she not believe it? It was said by a (transitional) government official!
And not only does she believe that, she also believes that a couple of bone fragments and clothes = 1200 human bodies!
| Butterfly wrote: |
| Yes, astonishing that the poster here would choose to believe a sad rambling paranoid hippie over reports from several outlets of a mass grave containing over 1200 bodies (well, he/she didn't even look at it). |
Here is the BBC story headline: More than 1,200 bodies found in Tripoli mass grave but if you actually read the article instead of the purposely misleading headline, you see this is an outright lie:
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| Several bone fragments and pieces of clothing have already been found in the top soil. |
Maybe you don't like my sources, but you couldn't do any worse than yours, a government official, and a NTC one at that! Yeah, they are really likely to give an objective report. |
Oh you don't like that article?
Well here's another...yes with actual bodies and not just bone fragments.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14729083
Well well looky here, there's a whole bunch of these killing sites. At least three of them were held by pro-Gaddafi troops and one might have been the rebels (or other Gaddafi loyalists).
As for the one above the reason they have only found some bone fragments is because they haven't started excavating the area yet. What was that you were saying about actually reading the article? |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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How much do you want to bet they don't find 1200 bodies? Did it ever occur to the chef that some of those men may have been, you know, transferred? Of course the headline and the article are the height of shameless propaganda. Why the BBC- The STATE broadcaster, should be considered a reliable source in a war Britain is directly engaged in is beyond me. I mean, come on?
By the way, I wonder how many mass graves NATO is filling up right now in Sirte:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/sirte-civilians-accuse-nato-of-genocide/story-e6frg6so-1226147923376 |
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leicsmac
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ersatzredux wrote: |
How much do you want to bet they don't find 1200 bodies? Did it ever occur to the chef that some of those men may have been, you know, transferred? Of course the headline and the article are the height of shameless propaganda. Why the BBC- The STATE broadcaster, should be considered a reliable source in a war Britain is directly engaged in is beyond me. I mean, come on?
By the way, I wonder how many mass graves NATO is filling up right now in Sirte:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/sirte-civilians-accuse-nato-of-genocide/story-e6frg6so-1226147923376 |
The BBC is the State broadcaster, but it is independent in its own right. Believe me, you get people complaining that the BBC is too leftwing and too rightwing, often within 5 minutes of the same broadcast. That alone suggests to me that it's at least reasonably impartial. It's not a state mouthpiece - it pisses off the Government of the day as much as anyone else. In fact it annoys this one so much they want to chop it down to size by freezing/reducing its main source of income. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ersatzredux wrote: |
| How much do you want to bet they don't find 1200 bodies? |
That isn't going to work, because its going to take several years to find out, they have been dead and under the ground for 15 years. And even when they do find 1200 bodies you'll no doubt accuse the BBC of lying and being a state propoganda mouthpiece. The bottom line is the families of over 1200 men are still missing their loved ones.
Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have filed several reports about the case, are you suggesting it never happened? What exactly are you saying here?
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE19/025/2011/en
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/06/27/libya-june-1996-killings-abu-salim-prison
| Angry Bird Rios wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| ^ if you actually believe a word of that, then I've got an oil rig or two I'd like to sell you... |
How could she not believe it? It was said by a (transitional) government official!
And not only does she believe that, she also believes that a couple of bone fragments and clothes = 1200 human bodies! |
I am a guy.
And you believe some rambling pothead who talks into a webcam from Portland or something and tells us he's got a hotline to the Libyan frontline.
Give me a break man, honestly, have a look at how nuts that is 
I have an opinion formed from reading Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, BBC, Al Jazeera, The Guardian etc about the hundreds of families in Libya that have lost their loved ones, and whose demands for answers led to the revolution in Libya. You look for cookie youtube links and post them here.
We are clearly looking at people here who simply don't want to believe that Abu Salim and other atrocities happened at all, its all propoganda, lies. I don't want to believe it happened either, its terrible that people do this to each other, but I personally can't ignore reports, witnesses, investigations from sources independant of each other, telling me that I need to. |
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Angry Bird Rios
Joined: 15 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ersatzredux wrote: |
How much do you want to bet they don't find 1200 bodies? Did it ever occur to the chef that some of those men may have been, you know, transferred? Of course the headline and the article are the height of shameless propaganda. Why the BBC- The STATE broadcaster, should be considered a reliable source in a war Britain is directly engaged in is beyond me. I mean, come on?
By the way, I wonder how many mass graves NATO is filling up right now in Sirte:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/sirte-civilians-accuse-nato-of-genocide/story-e6frg6so-1226147923376 |
| Butterfly wrote: |
| That isn't going to work, because its going to take several years to find out, they have been dead and under the ground for 15 years. And even when they do find 1200 bodies you'll no doubt accuse the BBC of lying and being a state propoganda mouthpiece. The bottom line is the families of over 1200 men are still missing their loved ones. |
My money's with ersatz: I bet they never find the 1200 bodies.
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| As for the one above the reason they have only found some bone fragments is because they haven't started excavating the area yet. What was that you were saying about actually reading the article? |
And you should rid yourself of your reading delusions, as you cannot quote me saying they have already begun excavating. See, reading is not enough; you also need to comprehend. |
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