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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: My thoughts after a month |
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So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. Also class size and age is also VERY important. Next thing id be focused on is location.
I work for a decent sized hagwon chain in Busan. It has good reputation. Good curriculum. Use alot of books so its just dividing the books up within a month to make a lesson plan. I have zero teaching experience. I need to learn how to better teach and think of ways to add to the lesson to stretch it out. I am finishing with my lesson with about 20 - 15 minutes to spare each class most days. I teach 9 - 11 year olds.
I got no orientation or guidance in how to teach the class ect. They just had me watch the other FT's.
For the thing that matters the most there is no way to know without getting here. Im talking about the kids themselves. They can make your job awesome and enjoyable and can also make your job a living hell.
In my case the good kids are a very small minority.
Im am amazed at the lack of respect the kids show us FT's. They are loud, dont listen to direct instructions, cuss at you to your face, ect.
I am not even that strict. But I atleast expect kids to talk quietly not not be talking across the room and yelling. I atleast expect them to not be getting out of their seat every 5 minutes. They dont take the work you give them seriously. Thats if they do it, I have a few kids that just refuse to do any work, just sit there and talk / play the whole class.
At first I wanted all the kids to do their work but im almost past that now. I just want them to act proper and not disrupt the class so I can teach to the few kids that actually wanna learn.
Then there is the few kids that are down right MEAN.
All this really makes you appreciate the good kids 10x more.
I have a few good classes that are enjoyable. I have found that the girls in general are much more behaved and studious than the boys. Almost all my favorite kids are girls. Not that I have many.
The smaller the classroom the better! It is almost impossible to teach to a class of 10+.
I have two small classes 4 kids, and 5 respectfully. In one of them I have a kid that REFUSES to stay in his seat so thats annoying and is a problem.
I havent really brought all this up to my KT's and Director yet. If it doesnt get better I will have to bring it to their attention. Im not sure if the KT's can make the kids stay in line all the time because these kids have short and selective memory.
So I cant stress enough how important the kids are to how you will enjoy your job.
The food is tricky here if you are very picky.
During the day I find most koreans will ignore you and not even looks at you. Other than the old people staring at you. Not what im use to....
What do I like about Korea?
I like meeting / making new friends. I like experiencing a new place. I like my good students. I like the money.
Which also reminds me. NET's DO NOT take a job that is more than 7 hours teaching time. Hell I wouldnt take one that was more than 5 - 6. I teach 5 hours a day. 3pm - 8pm. And that is more than enough for me.
Well, hope this can benefit someone. |
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marsavalanche

Joined: 27 Aug 2010 Location: where pretty lies perish
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. |
stopped reading right here.
So it's more important to have good relationships with the guy screwing you over than making sure you're getting your pension and health insurance (nhic)?
Yes, spoken like someone who's been in Korea 1 month.
Come back when you've completed your first year without pulling a runner. Then I might listen. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. Also class size and age is also VERY important. Next thing id be focused on is location.
I work for a decent sized hagwon chain in Busan. It has good reputation. Good curriculum. Use alot of books so its just dividing the books up within a month to make a lesson plan. I have zero teaching experience. I need to learn how to better teach and think of ways to add to the lesson to stretch it out. I am finishing with my lesson with about 20 - 15 minutes to spare each class most days. I teach 9 - 11 year olds.
I got no orientation or guidance in how to teach the class ect. They just had me watch the other FT's.
For the thing that matters the most there is no way to know without getting here. Im talking about the kids themselves. They can make your job awesome and enjoyable and can also make your job a living hell.
In my case the good kids are a very small minority.
Im am amazed at the lack of respect the kids show us FT's. They are loud, dont listen to direct instructions, cuss at you to your face, ect.
I am not even that strict. But I atleast expect kids to talk quietly not not be talking across the room and yelling. I atleast expect them to not be getting out of their seat every 5 minutes. They dont take the work you give them seriously. Thats if they do it, I have a few kids that just refuse to do any work, just sit there and talk / play the whole class.
At first I wanted all the kids to do their work but im almost past that now. I just want them to act proper and not disrupt the class so I can teach to the few kids that actually wanna learn.
Then there is the few kids that are down right MEAN.
All this really makes you appreciate the good kids 10x more.
I have a few good classes that are enjoyable. I have found that the girls in general are much more behaved and studious than the boys. Almost all my favorite kids are girls. Not that I have many.
The smaller the classroom the better! It is almost impossible to teach to a class of 10+.
I have two small classes 4 kids, and 5 respectfully. In one of them I have a kid that REFUSES to stay in his seat so thats annoying and is a problem.
I havent really brought all this up to my KT's and Director yet. If it doesnt get better I will have to bring it to their attention. Im not sure if the KT's can make the kids stay in line all the time because these kids have short and selective memory.
So I cant stress enough how important the kids are to how you will enjoy your job.
The food is tricky here if you are very picky.
During the day I find most koreans will ignore you and not even looks at you. Other than the old people staring at you. Not what im use to....
What do I like about Korea?
I like meeting / making new friends. I like experiencing a new place. I like my good students. I like the money.
Which also reminds me. NET's DO NOT take a job that is more than 7 hours teaching time. Hell I wouldnt take one that was more than 5 - 6. I teach 5 hours a day. 3pm - 8pm. And that is more than enough for me.
Well, hope this can benefit someone. |
Wisdom for the ages... |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. |
stopped reading right here.
So it's more important to have good relationships with the guy screwing you over than making sure you're getting your pension and health insurance (nhic)?
Yes, spoken like someone who's been in Korea 1 month.
Come back when you've completed your first year without pulling a runner. Then I might listen. |
I guess that one went over your head. Ill explain.
The not getting paid, not getting pension / heathcare is GROSSLY exaggerated in comparison to the number of people that work in Korea. So much so that I wouldnt be highly concerned with it in comparison to how much I would worry about actually job/kids itself. A hogwan will go out of business if it doesnt pay and provide benefits to its employees. Not a good business model. People dont go online to say "hey, my boss paid me on time! yay" The few that have problems post them. Hence why you see those stories more than the good ones.
This is my opinion after a month. Not sure why you clicked the thread. It clearly says AFTER a MONTH.
GFYS
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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marsavalanche wrote: |
ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. |
stopped reading right here.
So it's more important to have good relationships with the guy screwing you over than making sure you're getting your pension and health insurance (nhic)?
Yes, spoken like someone who's been in Korea 1 month.
Come back when you've completed your first year without pulling a runner. Then I might listen. |
Seconded. |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Quack Addict

Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like pretty normal stuff for a newbie. Right off the bat I would say don't expect the school to police the room for you. It's up to you to discipline the kids. Read up on techniques used by other foreigners.
Have good attitude. Go with the flow. Take some trips. Treat it like a working holiday and you will survive the year. Cheers. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
marsavalanche wrote: |
ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. |
stopped reading right here.
So it's more important to have good relationships with the guy screwing you over than making sure you're getting your pension and health insurance (nhic)?
Yes, spoken like someone who's been in Korea 1 month.
Come back when you've completed your first year without pulling a runner. Then I might listen. |
I guess that one went over your head. Ill explain.
The not getting paid, not getting pension / heathcare is GROSSLY exaggerated in comparison to the number of people that work in Korea. So much so that I wouldnt be highly concerned with it in comparison to how much I would worry about actually job/kids itself. A hogwan will go out of business if it doesnt pay and provide benefits to its employees. Not a good business model. People dont go online to say "hey, my boss paid me on time! yay" The few that have problems post them. Hence why you see those stories more than the good ones.
This is my opinion after a month. Not sure why you clicked the thread. It clearly says AFTER a MONTH.
GFYS |
How the hell are you qualified to make this statement after a month? There are a lot of solid hagwons out there, and I think at this point they probably outnumber the bad ones, but I still know a crap ton of people who've gotten burned on pension, health care, severance, air fare, etc. Hang out for awhile, know a group of people for awhile, and you'll eventually realize that it happens quite a lot. |
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calendar
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Location: being a hermit
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Where is New York girl calling troll? |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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northway wrote: |
ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
marsavalanche wrote: |
ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. |
stopped reading right here.
So it's more important to have good relationships with the guy screwing you over than making sure you're getting your pension and health insurance (nhic)?
Yes, spoken like someone who's been in Korea 1 month.
Come back when you've completed your first year without pulling a runner. Then I might listen. |
I guess that one went over your head. Ill explain.
The not getting paid, not getting pension / heathcare is GROSSLY exaggerated in comparison to the number of people that work in Korea. So much so that I wouldnt be highly concerned with it in comparison to how much I would worry about actually job/kids itself. A hogwan will go out of business if it doesnt pay and provide benefits to its employees. Not a good business model. People dont go online to say "hey, my boss paid me on time! yay" The few that have problems post them. Hence why you see those stories more than the good ones.
This is my opinion after a month. Not sure why you clicked the thread. It clearly says AFTER a MONTH.
GFYS |
How the hell are you qualified to make this statement after a month? There are a lot of solid hagwons out there, and I think at this point they probably outnumber the bad ones, but I still know a crap ton of people who've gotten burned on pension, health care, severance, air fare, etc. Hang out for awhile, know a group of people for awhile, and you'll eventually realize that it happens quite a lot. |
This is MY OPINION after a month. Nothing more, nothing less.
To any people thinking about coming over, I cant overstate the importance of the kids to how your job will be.
They can make it awesome and they can make it a living hell.
And this is a roll of the dice. Unfortunately... |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Ill explain.
The not getting paid, not getting pension / heathcare is GROSSLY exaggerated in comparison to the number of people that work in Korea. So much so that I wouldnt be highly concerned with it in comparison to how much I would worry about actually job/kids itself. A hogwan will go out of business if it doesnt pay and provide benefits to its employees. Not a good business model. People dont go online to say "hey, my boss paid me on time! yay" The few that have problems post them. Hence why you see those stories more than the good ones.
This is my opinion after a month. Not sure why you clicked the thread. It clearly says AFTER a MONTH.
GFYS |
Talk to me after you know what you are talking about cause this just ain't so (and I know for a fact that you don't have NHIC and haven't been enrolled in the NPS yet).
In my personal experience working in the foreigner help center those were our most common complaints and the numbers who actually went so far as to file a complaint were in the THOUSANDS every year (with many more thousands not filing for reasons listed below).
For the most part, hagwans stay in business because they don't pay the benefits to their employees (to the tune of multi-millions of won per year) and they get away with it because most employees have no idea what they are entitled to, are railroaded away from their legally entitled benefits or get fired and lose their visa if they complain.
Try again after you actually get your NHIC booklet or have your yellow sheet (enrollment confirmation) from the NPS.
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Perceptioncheck
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Although some people are naturals, it takes most people time, practice and effort to become a good teacher. I think you could probably benefit from spending some time reading up on teaching methods.
Do you use transition activities? Do you have a reward/punishment system in place? How do you engage students? How do you ensure students are participating in the lesson? Are you setting clear boundaries so that the students know what is acceptable, and what is not?
Once you have your classroom under control, it's possible you might realize that pension and healthcare are, in fact, quite important after all.
Good luck! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
So I have been in Korea for alittle over a month. Thought I would share my experience with others.
Im gonna say right off the bat, NET's need to be MUCH more concerned with their students/bosses than with getting their pension, healthcare ect. . |
So you need to be more concerned about your students than the fact that you may be working illegally?
Yes I understand that this is your opinion and that you've only been here a month.
But I'd say that making sure everything is legal and aboveboard is the number 1 priority and yes that includes getting pension/health care.
Not flaming you just explaining. |
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Squire

Joined: 26 Sep 2010 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Discipline gets easier with time. Stick at it, try new things and it will become easier and hopefully you'll get the respect of the kids. It's difficult at first |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: My thoughts after a month |
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ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
Sy.
Im am amazed at the lack of respect the kids show us FT's. They are loud, dont listen to direct instructions, cuss at you to your face, ect.
I am not even that strict. |
Right there is your problem. Yes sometimes my students are loud and I may (although not often) have to repeat myself more than once. But I would NEVER tolerate somebody cursing at me to my face. They'd be out the door and in the staff room faster then they could say "Jack Robinson".
You know that motto for the Army "Be all you can be"?
In Korea it means be a drill sergeant in the classroom.
"What's your major malfunction, soldier?"
"Drop and give me 20, private!"
"You're in my classroom now!"
Sure at times you can relax and even hand out candy for work done well now and then. They'll quickly learn to fear your bad side and what it takes to get on your good side. |
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