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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:34 am Post subject: |
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If it was in your contract to get punched in the face everyday by your boss, he's still an asshole for doing it, even if its within his rights. Being free to do something and not being an asshole are 2 different things entirely. Whether or not we have 5.5 billion people lining up to get punched in the face everyday is irrelevant, that's also another issue entirely.
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Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line.
He still makes you do this thing.
Sounds like an asshole to me. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Deranged Ranger wrote: |
If you are happy with yor hagwon job then thats fine.
{snip}
Not to mention ONE week vacations.
YOu want a hagwon job, hey good on you |
I don't work for a hogwon. I have a lot more than one week of vacation.
| akcrono wrote: |
Summary:
Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line.
He still makes you do this thing.
Sounds like an asshole to me. |
Bingo. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
If it was in your contract to get punched in the face everyday by your boss, he's still an asshole for doing it, even if its within his rights. Being free to do something and not being an asshole are 2 different things entirely. Whether or not we have 5.5 billion people lining up to get punched in the face everyday is irrelevant, that's also another issue entirely.
Summary:
Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line.
He still makes you do this thing.
Sounds like an asshole to me. |
My boss makes me come in to work at 9AM everyday. I'd rather stroll in whenever I feel like it as long as classes are there. Does that make him a jerk?
Second, actually there is potential damage to his bottom line. Our working hours are tracked and documented. It is a government mandate that we spend X number of hours working. Failing to have us work X number of hours would be in violation of the law. Now he could lie about that...
So basically the "they should just let us stay home" crows is advocating A)Violating govt regulations and B) Not following contracts.
And yes, its only deskwarming for some because we don't try to take our lessons up a notch and produce better materials, activities, and worksheets or fail to use the time to expand our knowledge in our field.
Now your employer could be a real driver and demand that you spend your deskwarming time doing that stuff, but instead he winks and nods and knows you're doing what everyone else is doing- Watching movies, chatting, and staring at GMarket.
No he's not being a jerk, he's compromising and finding a middle ground.
Only the spoiled believe that he's being a jerk. Get some perspective. |
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Deranged Ranger
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
If it was in your contract to get punched in the face everyday by your boss, he's still an asshole for doing it, even if its within his rights. Being free to do something and not being an asshole are 2 different things entirely. Whether or not we have 5.5 billion people lining up to get punched in the face everyday is irrelevant, that's also another issue entirely.
Summary:
Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line.
He still makes you do this thing.
Sounds like an asshole to me. |
Yeah and your making such a comparison based on a false premise, ie THE PRINCIPALS ARE NOT FREE TO SEND YOU HOME!
SMOE, DMOE, BMOE, as well as every branch of EPIK, ALL of them have a clear mandate that you work for an 8 hour day, and it is written in your contract quite clearly in the working hours section.
Any phone call to them will confirm this, any glance at the contract will confirm this, any glance at ANY of their website wil confimr this.
Now there is always a prinipal out there, or hear about one, who will let a teacher go after they have done teaching, thats at the principals risk, as he is in fact disobeying a clear mandate. So you guys are confusing a case of a principal taking on the risk and DEFYING a rule as oposed to him not doing that and having you work the hours you agreed on in the contract.
Is it within his power to send us home, sure it is, Its also in his power to say "hey there, i've decided youre working so hard and it hurts me to see you stress yourself, so for the rest of the year, you don't need to teach any classes, I will just pay you to sit at home and do nothing, so you go ahead and relax."
As for San Duero, okay we get it now, you won't lower yourself to work for a PS or a Hagwon, you searched long and hard for the "perfect " job with no crap. In your expert opinion, how many are as lucky as you to get that kind of job? or have kind of qualifications you clearly must have to get that job? Yeah you have found the best job, great that's awesome, Most of us have to suck up either a Hagwon or a PS job, and given the choice I will take the PS any day, so would most of the people I ask.
There are far greater evils at a hagwon than deskwarming, and very few if any jobs are totally "perfect" You usually have to suck up something. If the worst your job has going for it is deskwarming, then it's still a pretty darn good job. |
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Deranged Ranger
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
If it was in your contract to get punched in the face everyday by your boss, he's still an asshole for doing it, even if its within his rights. Being free to do something and not being an asshole are 2 different things entirely. Whether or not we have 5.5 billion people lining up to get punched in the face everyday is irrelevant, that's also another issue entirely.
Summary:
Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line.
He still makes you do this thing.
Sounds like an asshole to me. |
My boss makes me come in to work at 9AM everyday. I'd rather stroll in whenever I feel like it as long as classes are there. Does that make him a jerk?
Second, actually there is potential damage to his bottom line. Our working hours are tracked and documented. It is a government mandate that we spend X number of hours working. Failing to have us work X number of hours would be in violation of the law. Now he could lie about that...
So basically the "they should just let us stay home" crows is advocating A)Violating govt regulations and B) Not following contracts.
And yes, its only deskwarming for some because we don't try to take our lessons up a notch and produce better materials, activities, and worksheets or fail to use the time to expand our knowledge in our field.
Now your employer could be a real driver and demand that you spend your deskwarming time doing that stuff, but instead he winks and nods and knows you're doing what everyone else is doing- Watching movies, chatting, and staring at GMarket.
No he's not being a jerk, he's compromising and finding a middle ground.
Only the spoiled believe that he's being a jerk. Get some perspective. |
I know I should't swear on this site, so I'll just let you finish this quote from the end of the Shawshank Redemption to express my sentiment on Steelrail's post
Get busy living or get busy dying,
That's _____________right!
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Deranged Ranger
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
Your boss makes you do something you don't like.
He has the option to NOT make you do this thing with absolutely no damage to his bottom line. |
The comment I bolded is also totally false, as steelrails clarfies. Let me clarify further, Unless he actually signs you out every time you leave and you were to get hurt, he's responsible. So is the school, and so is the school's "bottom line" not to mention the possibility ( though unlikely) of losing their position. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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I thought I would have been content with desk-warming, but I got one of the schools that actually expects you to, you know, work. In the time other people doing the same job on the same contract and making the same amount of money got to spend writing novels and watching TV. Total disappoint.
I never got to find out if desk-warming was really as bad as people say. (Or as good as I was expecting.)  |
I actually likely make more money than you, I am the top pay grade SMOE offers , I have the 500K housing allowance, and because I gave Key money for my own apartment I live rent free  |
I was talking about people working in my same district. Not people on the internet, people I could actually talk to. Same job, same everything... me doing camps for no extra pay, them either with extra time off or goofing around at their desks. |
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Deranged Ranger
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I was just messing around with that comment, but yeah I get what you mean. For all I know we could be in the same district.
No one in SMOE has gotten paid for thier own camps for over 2 year ( ones that he district offers is another story but those are dependant on your school letting you not deskwarm to do them ,and in some cases, sacrificing your vacation days (using them to work other camps) |
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