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Warhammer820
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 Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: What happens if a hagwon screws someone over? |
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| How easy is it to switch to another hagwon while in Korea? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| How easy is it to switch to another hagwon while in Korea? |
Depends upon how you define the term 'screwed over'? If you are talking about being fired for not doing your job, then you ae not being 'screwed over' but couldn't do your job.
If you are talking about not getting your benefits or being made to teach illegally then you may have a case. Some people find the minutest of excuses to claim they are being 'screwed over' and pull a runner, some of which surprise even the most avid Korean haters on this board.
If this is your first job in the real world, then be prepared. Korean employers are not obligated to keep you employed, nor are you entitled to a job here. Korea is not this magical employment kingdom where the Korean people are perfect and so much better than back home. There are good and bad employers just like back home, you never know which one you will get until you sign the contract and arrive here.
With that said, changing hagwons can be like changing socks. They are plentiful and always in need of employees. But you need to stay within the rules and legal.
Someone else will give you the details on what you need to do. |
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Warhammer820
Joined: 03 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
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| How easy is it to switch to another hagwon while in Korea? |
Depends upon how you define the term 'screwed over'? If you are talking about being fired for not doing your job, then you ae not being 'screwed over' but couldn't do your job.
If you are talking about not getting your benefits or being made to teach illegally then you may have a case. Some people find the minutest of excuses to claim they are being 'screwed over' and pull a runner, some of which surprise even the most avid Korean haters on this board.
If this is your first job in the real world, then be prepared. Korean employers are not obligated to keep you employed, nor are you entitled to a job here. Korea is not this magical employment kingdom where the Korean people are perfect and so much better than back home. There are good and bad employers just like back home, you never know which one you will get until you sign the contract and arrive here.
With that said, changing hagwons can be like changing socks. They are plentiful and always in need of employees. But you need to stay within the rules and legal.
Someone else will give you the details on what you need to do. |
In this instance, I'm talking about not getting paid at all. |
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Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not hard to change jobs if you follow the rules, now someone can correct me on this but I believe it is easier after the 6 month mark of your employment. |
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Jotun_Symph
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Warhammer820 wrote: |
| calendar wrote: |
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| How easy is it to switch to another hagwon while in Korea? |
Depends upon how you define the term 'screwed over'? If you are talking about being fired for not doing your job, then you ae not being 'screwed over' but couldn't do your job.
If you are talking about not getting your benefits or being made to teach illegally then you may have a case. Some people find the minutest of excuses to claim they are being 'screwed over' and pull a runner, some of which surprise even the most avid Korean haters on this board.
If this is your first job in the real world, then be prepared. Korean employers are not obligated to keep you employed, nor are you entitled to a job here. Korea is not this magical employment kingdom where the Korean people are perfect and so much better than back home. There are good and bad employers just like back home, you never know which one you will get until you sign the contract and arrive here.
With that said, changing hagwons can be like changing socks. They are plentiful and always in need of employees. But you need to stay within the rules and legal.
Someone else will give you the details on what you need to do. |
In this instance, I'm talking about not getting paid at all. |
If you're not getting paid then contact the labor board. Also, quit as soon as possible. Other Korean employers won't hold it against you that you quit a terrible job, so you pretty much have a second chance. |
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Warhammer820
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| thank you |
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ajosshi
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| War, What excuse did the hagwon give you for not paying, if any? Did any thing seem off during the recruitment stage? Hope it all works out. Good luck! |
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proverbs
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| yea, I've heard of people staying at the schools for 3 months without getting paid and then the schools shuts down. don't get caught in this. |
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Warhammer820
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| War, What excuse did the hagwon give you for not paying, if any? Did any thing seem off during the recruitment stage? Hope it all works out. Good luck! |
Oh sorry, I gave you the wrong idea. I am not in Korea right now. I am researching as much as I can so that when I finally do make the leap, I will be pretty prepared. |
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ajosshi
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| War, What excuse did the hagwon give you for not paying, if any? Did any thing seem off during the recruitment stage? Hope it all works out. Good luck! |
Oh sorry, I gave you the wrong idea. I am not in Korea right now. I am researching as much as I can so that when I finally do make the leap, I will be pretty prepared. |
Good to hear. Best of luck with your search. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Last year, two of my friends went to their job, but the door was locked. The school had shut down (in this case the boss pulled a midnight runner) and the owner was nowhere to be found. My friends wanted to get new jobs in Korea, but they couldn't because they had no letter of release, and the school had never registered them with the government. So two months in, they lost significant wages and had to pay for their own plane ticket home. Sad. |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: |
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That is sad, but not uncommon, and that is even sadder.
Some people buy into a hagwon and think it's going to be a windfall, with cash falling from trees. All they have to do is get a waygook teacher and the students will flock to them.
This probably was true during the 90's up to the IMF crash, but it hasn't been so easy for quite a few years now.
I've worked for more than enough hagwon managers who would have been better off staying home and being a housewife, or guys that should have stuck to just being a teacher.(or bus drivers or whatever they were before) They had no clue what they were getting themselves into and had even less of a clue how to manage a hagwon. |
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jeremysums
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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If you're not getting paid, definitely look at your contract. After thethey labor board, I would even go to the police or Embassy if the school is screwing you over. I'm sure they will put you in touch with the right people. Go to them if the people at the school or recruiter is not helping.
Are there even stories where you don't get paid? That's really scary. Make sure you have people from home to send you money for a flight home.
| Warhammer820 wrote: |
| calendar wrote: |
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| How easy is it to switch to another hagwon while in Korea? |
Depends upon how you define the term 'screwed over'? If you are talking about being fired for not doing your job, then you ae not being 'screwed over' but couldn't do your job.
If you are talking about not getting your benefits or being made to teach illegally then you may have a case. Some people find the minutest of excuses to claim they are being 'screwed over' and pull a runner, some of which surprise even the most avid Korean haters on this board.
If this is your first job in the real world, then be prepared. Korean employers are not obligated to keep you employed, nor are you entitled to a job here. Korea is not this magical employment kingdom where the Korean people are perfect and so much better than back home. There are good and bad employers just like back home, you never know which one you will get until you sign the contract and arrive here.
With that said, changing hagwons can be like changing socks. They are plentiful and always in need of employees. But you need to stay within the rules and legal.
Someone else will give you the details on what you need to do. |
In this instance, I'm talking about not getting paid at all. |
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cincynate
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| would even go to the police or Embassy if the school is screwing you over |
The embassy will tell you there is nothing they can do.. They have a warning on their webpage to be careful of unscrupulous hakwons.
It is easy to change jobs even without a letter of release. Just explain to immigration that you couldn't get one, they will cancel your visa, and you can get a new one. Just make a copy of your documents and DO NOT LET YOUR HAKWON DIRECTOR KEEP ANYTHING THAT BELONGS TO YOU.. (passport, diploma, cbc, etc..) |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| would even go to the police or Embassy if the school is screwing you over |
The embassy will tell you there is nothing they can do.. They have a warning on their webpage to be careful of unscrupulous hakwons.
It is easy to change jobs even without a letter of release. Just explain to immigration that you couldn't get one, they will cancel your visa, and you can get a new one. Just make a copy of your documents and DO NOT LET YOUR HAKWON DIRECTOR KEEP ANYTHING THAT BELONGS TO YOU.. (passport, diploma, cbc, etc..) |
Unless things have changed in the past year or so, it's not that easy.
If you want to change jobs mid-contract without your boss' cooperation, you have to:
A) Leave Korea.
B) Turn in your ARC on your way out, telling Immigration you quit your job and are not coming back (even if you're planning on coming right back on the next plane/ferry on a landing visa).
C) Secure a new job in Korea.
D) Have your new boss sponsor apply for your new E-2 visa with a new, complete set of documents (apostilled diploma, criminal records check, etc.).
E) Get your new E-2 at a foreign embassy or consulate.
If you really need to get out of your current job and your boss won't cooperate with a letter of release/visa transfer, this is an option. However, it's much less expensive and inconvenient for you if you can convince your old boss to play ball.
In the OP's case, if you're not even getting a paycheck, I suspect you don't have a better option. Once you have your new job and E-2, contact the labor board and try to collect on your overdue wages. |
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