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comm
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Most Japanese like Korea and are rather perplexed to find that koreans don't feel the same way. |
Similarly, I think most Mexicans would be surprised if Americans were outraged by the name of the "Gulf of Mexico" too. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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link doesn't work...is it for real?
And even so...is this the official government stance or the stance of the majority of Koreans?
Why should the country be ashamed of a few nationalistic idiots?
Should Britain/American be ashamed every time one of their anti-immigration politicians gets quoted in the news?
Should Canada be ashamed because it has a Marijuana Party?
Try and realize that just because a few Koreans think or do something that does not go for the vast majority.
It's this stupid notion that Koreans conform to some Borg-like uniformity that leads to SOME of them (and other foreign teachers) thinking that SOME foreign teachers just aren't all that swift. |
WHOA. that's some hard-core korea-apologising there, buddy. |
So you think that a few Koreans represent all of Korea?
Because all I am saying is that they don't. |
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leicsmac
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Japanese football fans have been outraged at the reception laid on for a Japanese team playing in Korea recently, with a banner goading them by celebrating the deaths of 20,000 Japanese in the recent earthquake and tsunami. |
It was only a m.tter of time. Given the irresponsible and stupid way that anti-Japanese sentiment has been so encouraged and inculcated into the youth here for so long.
Most Japanese like Korea and are rather perplexed to find that koreans don't feel the same way.
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| the incredibly crude standards of behaviour the world has come to expect from football fans is not clear |
Its an English disease that has basically spread worldwide along with the sport. |
But the difference is...for the most part, the English have now cleaned up their game in terms of hooliganism. Many other places that have football ingrained into their culture have not.
As for the article itself...petty nationalism at its worst. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
link doesn't work...is it for real?
And even so...is this the official government stance or the stance of the majority of Koreans?
Why should the country be ashamed of a few nationalistic idiots?
Should Britain/American be ashamed every time one of their anti-immigration politicians gets quoted in the news?
Should Canada be ashamed because it has a Marijuana Party?
Try and realize that just because a few Koreans think or do something that does not go for the vast majority.
It's this stupid notion that Koreans conform to some Borg-like uniformity that leads to SOME of them (and other foreign teachers) thinking that SOME foreign teachers just aren't all that swift. |
WHOA. that's some hard-core korea-apologising there, buddy. |
So you think that a few Koreans represent all of Korea?
Because all I am saying is that they don't. |
birds of a feather, my friend.
we all know exactly how racist and anti-japanese this country is. sure, these idiots with their banners aren't your typical koreans, but you can be sure that deep-down every korean was thinking what they were saying.
this sounds like a generalisation, but honestly, in a country full of sheep who actively refuse to think about virtually anything, i have no problems making it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
link doesn't work...is it for real?
And even so...is this the official government stance or the stance of the majority of Koreans?
Why should the country be ashamed of a few nationalistic idiots?
Should Britain/American be ashamed every time one of their anti-immigration politicians gets quoted in the news?
Should Canada be ashamed because it has a Marijuana Party?
Try and realize that just because a few Koreans think or do something that does not go for the vast majority.
It's this stupid notion that Koreans conform to some Borg-like uniformity that leads to SOME of them (and other foreign teachers) thinking that SOME foreign teachers just aren't all that swift. |
WHOA. that's some hard-core korea-apologising there, buddy. |
So you think that a few Koreans represent all of Korea?
Because all I am saying is that they don't. |
birds of a feather, my friend.
we all know exactly how racist and anti-japanese this country is. sure, these idiots with their banners aren't your typical koreans, but you can be sure that deep-down every korean was thinking what they were saying.
this sounds like a generalisation, but honestly, in a country full of sheep who actively refuse to think about virtually anything, i have no problems making it. |
So you have no problem violating the TOS and making xenophobic and completely ignorant statements. Got it. |
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isisaredead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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i don't know, man. i find a lot of the korea-hating here to be completely unwarranted. i don't actually have a problem with korea's view on japan, simply because i don't care.
but to deny that this homogenous country does not have a sheep mentality favouring anti-japanese sentiment is ludicrous. while it's a little harsh of me to say it, i don't believe it's an "ignorant" thing to say, seeing as how i've been here for a while. i hardly think it's xenophobic, either, if it's true. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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i don't know, man. i find a lot of the korea-hating here to be completely unwarranted. i don't actually have a problem with korea's view on japan, simply because i don't care.
but to deny that this homogenous country does not have a sheep mentality favouring anti-japanese sentiment is ludicrous. while it's a little harsh of me to say it, i don't believe it's an "ignorant" thing to say, seeing as how i've been here for a while. i hardly think it's xenophobic, either, if it's true. |
It's reciprocated by the Japanese. According to Crunchyroll forums...the below is a poll of countries the Japanese don't like. According to the above forum the first country mentioned is Korea
http://sentaku.org/social/1000006258/
As for your claims of sheep mentality close to 40% of Koreans like Japan or so this blogger claims the poll shows.
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/01/many-south-koreans-dont-like-japanese.html |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ZIFA wrote: |
Most Japanese like Korea and are rather perplexed to find that koreans don't feel the same way. |
Similarly, I think most Mexicans would be surprised if Americans were outraged by the name of the "Gulf of Mexico" too. |
Most Americans were surprised at the Mexico-USA soccer game a few weeks that took place IN America and featured a rabidly pro-Mexican crows that hurled all sorts of invectives at the U.S.
Oh yeah, and ask a Latino how they feel about the term "American" and the way its tossed around...
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we all know exactly how racist and anti-japanese this country is. sure, these idiots with their banners aren't your typical koreans, but you can be sure that deep-down every korean was thinking what they were saying.
this sounds like a generalisation, but honestly, in a country full of sheep who actively refuse to think about virtually anything, i have no problems making it. |
Two myths here
1)Koreans were cheering the quake. Sorry, but there were no parties in the streets. People were stunned and shocked. People offered aid and condolences were sent.
2)Koreans are sheep. Sorry, but look at the fact that the people are divided in two, that the South at one point had 3 major political parties (America by contrast only has two) has featured an armed uprising against the dictatorial regime in the South in the 80s and regularly features strikes and protests by students and workers against the government and corporations and I'm sorry, but the people here are not sheep.
I mean if one wants idiocy and bigotry there is, ahem, Celtic-Rangers. Ironic with ChaDuRi and KiSungYeong there...
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| but to deny that this homogenous country does not have a sheep mentality favouring anti-japanese sentiment is ludicrous |
I understand for anyone over the age of 50 who lost a close relative and such.
Anyone under the age of 35 is just being a dingbat if they buy into that stuff. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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isisaredead
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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*sigh* i understand what you are both saying. but just because there weren't "parties in the street", doesn't mean that the vast majority of koreans felt that japan deserved it in some way.
i still feel, culturally, that koreans definitely favour a herd-mentality with virtually everything - particularly the japan-hate.
but i'm open to the idea that there's a lot going on in this country on a deeper level that i should learn about. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
link doesn't work...is it for real?
And even so...is this the official government stance or the stance of the majority of Koreans?
Why should the country be ashamed of a few nationalistic idiots?
Should Britain/American be ashamed every time one of their anti-immigration politicians gets quoted in the news?
Should Canada be ashamed because it has a Marijuana Party?
Try and realize that just because a few Koreans think or do something that does not go for the vast majority.
It's this stupid notion that Koreans conform to some Borg-like uniformity that leads to SOME of them (and other foreign teachers) thinking that SOME foreign teachers just aren't all that swift. |
WHOA. that's some hard-core korea-apologising there, buddy. |
So you think that a few Koreans represent all of Korea?
Because all I am saying is that they don't. |
birds of a feather, my friend.
we all know exactly how racist and anti-japanese this country is. sure, these idiots with their banners aren't your typical koreans, but you can be sure that deep-down every korean was thinking what they were saying.
this sounds like a generalisation, but honestly, in a country full of sheep who actively refuse to think about virtually anything, i have no problems making it. |
While I am not one to push for extreme P.C. behaviour, but you contradicted yourself when you say that those holding those banners aren't your typical Koreans but deep down every korean was thinking what they were saying. We don't have any polls regarding what you're stating. Personally, many people in Europe say many in North America are like sheep. That's another matter. I have a little problem with your first paragraph. You're accusing the majority of Koreans of thinking like those protestors when we can't really be sure. It's one thing to comment on a phenomenon that exists in a country and mentioning it as a problem, and another to say the majority think that way without any real proof to back it up. |
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whatisinmyhead
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| 2)Koreans are sheep. Sorry, but look at the fact that the people are divided in two, that the South at one point had 3 major political parties (America by contrast only has two) has featured an armed uprising against the dictatorial regime in the South in the 80s and regularly features strikes and protests by students and workers against the government and corporations and I'm sorry, but the people here are not sheep. |
while what you said is true, i would say that on a smaller scale (ie. personal day to day lives... not the scale of rising up against a dictator) koreans most certainly are sheep. more sheep-like than any other country actually, in many ways. super sheep. it comes with with being the most confucian country on earth.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303544604576429782033666682.html
SO SHEEP! |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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As an anecdote I was in a bar getting sloshed when the Tsunami broke out. Now one would think that such a place would be a prime place for bigotry to flow like the soju.
The mood was somber and stunned. There were frequent gasps of shock and horror at the footage. No one was cheering, no one was dancing and taking shots. Not once did I hear Japanese slurs.
Now that's not to say that give people a few months that they might go about and change, but at least when the whole thing was going down, in my little view, people were behaving in a normal manner. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:45 am Post subject: |
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i don't know, man. i find a lot of the korea-hating here to be completely unwarranted. i don't actually have a problem with korea's view on japan, simply because i don't care.
but to deny that this homogenous country does not have a sheep mentality favouring anti-japanese sentiment is ludicrous. while it's a little harsh of me to say it, i don't believe it's an "ignorant" thing to say, seeing as how i've been here for a while. i hardly think it's xenophobic, either, if it's true. |
It's reciprocated by the Japanese. According to Crunchyroll forums...the below is a poll of countries the Japanese don't like. According to the above forum the first country mentioned is Korea
http://sentaku.org/social/1000006258/ |
If you'd ever lived in Japan you'd know this isn't really true... Most Japanese don't really care much about Korea. Most peoples' knowledge extends only to superficial things like Korean dramas, K-pop, and Korean BBQ restaurants, all of which have become popular in Japan in the past few years. Similarly, those Japanese who think of Korea in a negative light are mostly just reacting to the anti-Japanese sentiment reported in the media in recent times. The historical conflict going back to pre-WWII barely even registers for most Japanese (they couldn't care less about the colonial past).
Anyway, no doubt there are a fair number of Japanese who don't like Korea much these days, but it's not equivalent to the way so many Koreans dislike Japan on a nationalistic level (since it has been such an integral part of their culture since the end of WWII)...
Beyond that I think relations have been improving, and I don't think it's a really huge issue or anything (and more and more Koreans, especially young ones, are viewing Japan in a positive light over time), but I'm just saying... |
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isisaredead
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| isisaredead wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
link doesn't work...is it for real?
And even so...is this the official government stance or the stance of the majority of Koreans?
Why should the country be ashamed of a few nationalistic idiots?
Should Britain/American be ashamed every time one of their anti-immigration politicians gets quoted in the news?
Should Canada be ashamed because it has a Marijuana Party?
Try and realize that just because a few Koreans think or do something that does not go for the vast majority.
It's this stupid notion that Koreans conform to some Borg-like uniformity that leads to SOME of them (and other foreign teachers) thinking that SOME foreign teachers just aren't all that swift. |
WHOA. that's some hard-core korea-apologising there, buddy. |
So you think that a few Koreans represent all of Korea?
Because all I am saying is that they don't. |
birds of a feather, my friend.
we all know exactly how racist and anti-japanese this country is. sure, these idiots with their banners aren't your typical koreans, but you can be sure that deep-down every korean was thinking what they were saying.
this sounds like a generalisation, but honestly, in a country full of sheep who actively refuse to think about virtually anything, i have no problems making it. |
While I am not one to push for extreme P.C. behaviour, but you contradicted yourself when you say that those holding those banners aren't your typical Koreans but deep down every korean was thinking what they were saying. We don't have any polls regarding what you're stating. Personally, many people in Europe say many in North America are like sheep. That's another matter. I have a little problem with your first paragraph. You're accusing the majority of Koreans of thinking like those protestors when we can't really be sure. It's one thing to comment on a phenomenon that exists in a country and mentioning it as a problem, and another to say the majority think that way without any real proof to back it up. |
you're completely right. the only proof i can offer is anecdotal, based on my experiences here over the years. i still believe what i said, and i would argue that i don't need to be xenophobic to have such a notion.
of course, this kind of "evidence" isn't useful anywhere. i guess i should've kept it to myself. |
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