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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
How about I teach you something? Sit down class is in session.
You need atleast one of two things in order to "manage"
1) Authority
2) Respect
Without those there is no "management"  |
Those things are earned, not automatic. |
Not where I come
Where I come from you respect your elders.
Where I come from you respect people in authoritative positions ie teachers.
Hell I was raised to respect EVERYONE and treat everyone how I would want to be treated.
I feel sorry for you and your parents and where ever you come from. |
You are no longer where you came from. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
How about I teach you something? Sit down class is in session.
You need atleast one of two things in order to "manage"
1) Authority
2) Respect
Without those there is no "management" |
Those things are earned, not automatic. |
Not where I come brah.
Where I come from you respect your elders.
Where I come from you respect people in authoritative positions ie teachers.
Hell I was raised to respect EVERYONE and treat everyone how I would want to be treated.
I feel sorry for your and your parents and where ever you came from. |
I'm guessing most of the teachers you've had in your life know how to teach. It's not easy, and it takes time. Giving up and blaming it on the kids being bad is not going to put you on the road to effective classroom management. This is something you need to find in yourself. |
Lol your funny.
I know how to teach.
I actually had some teachers that DIDNT know how to teach. Or didnt teach that great.
This had ZERO influence on me showing them respect.
Like I said, me and you come from two different backgrounds.
Everyone gets respect from me AUTOMATIC as you like to call it, until they do something to lose it. ie disrespecting me or someone else. |
Managing and disciplining students is part of teaching, just like managing and disciplining children is part of parenting.
Obviously, you don't know how to teach. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
As you can see I dont take BS. Hence why im having a hard time dealing / accepting the disrespect and bad behavior of the student I teach.
I will be having a sit down with my Korean teacher and tell her things MUST change as in she better get them to not be loud and disrupt my class when Im teaching, as in when I tell them not to throw stuff across them room and they do it anyway and laugh in my face, or as in making them not get up out of their seat every 5 minutes. If this stuff cant be fixed they can look for a new teacher. |
Better book your ticket back now, best to be prepared. |
I aint wasting money if I can avoid it. I must stay till atleast december to pay my bills and cover my expenses.
I can also retrain the mind to not give a sh**. This doesnt really appeal to me as the students that cared and wanted to learn would suffer. |
Hmm I guess I should clarify. If you have that attitude with your co-teacher, boss, and so on, you're not going to win any fans. I know you're all hard and command respect from small and dastardly children by virtue of said hardness, thus not requiring any fans, but rock the boat and the boss will tip you out of it in a heartbeat. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| Perceptioncheck wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
I dont think you understand.
How can you set boundaries when they ignore you and your commands and have ZERO respect?
You can only set boundaries if people acknowledge them and adhere/respect them. |
Simple: learn how to teach. |
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One of the most important aspects of teaching is classroom management.
Learn how to teach! |
How about I teach you something? Sit down class is in session.
You need atleast one of two things in order to "manage"
1) Authority
2) Respect
Without those there is no "management" |
Well, with that *sparkling* attitude, I can't possibly imagine where you're going wrong! |
As you can see I dont take BS. Hence why im having a hard time dealing / accepting the disrespect and bad behavior of the student I teach.
I will be having a sit down with my Korean teacher and tell her things MUST change as in she better get them to not be loud and disrupt my class when Im teaching, as in when I tell them not to throw stuff across them room and they do it anyway and laugh in my face, or as in making them not get up out of their seat every 5 minutes. If this stuff cant be fixed they can look for a new teacher. |
Yep. This is exactly what you should tell the Korean teacher. Then, you will have even bigger problems.
I hear they are hiring in China. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
I dont think you understand.
How can you set boundaries when they ignore you and your commands and have ZERO respect?
You can only set boundaries if people acknowledge them and adhere/respect them. |
Simple: learn how to teach. |
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One of the most important aspects of teaching is classroom management.
Learn how to teach! |
How about I teach you something? Sit down class is in session.
You need atleast one of two things in order to "manage"
1) Authority
2) Respect
Without those there is no "management" |
You have neither 1) nor 2). |
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northway
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP is either a troll or a soon-to-be runner. |
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mj roach
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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The hilarity that is "Dave's". Let's hope that the OP doesn't do a runner.
There are always a few new arrivals every year whose trials and travails provide interesting reading. Please keep us posted WanderLust. |
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frankhenry
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| mj roach wrote: |
The hilarity that is "Dave's". Let's hope that the OP doesn't do a runner.
There are always a few new arrivals every year whose trials and travails provide interesting reading. Please keep us posted WanderLust. |
Hoho! It's like Bruce Smith finally arrived, using a different user name. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
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| Newbies are cute. |
Cute? I didnt think they lets teens over.... |
Actually, it's with my superior experience with teaching in Korea that I can say our attitude is cute, as in quaint or fanciful. I look forward to the gears of Korea grinding these funny ideas of your head. |
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ForeverWanderlust
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| ForeverWanderlust wrote: |
As you can see I dont take BS. Hence why im having a hard time dealing / accepting the disrespect and bad behavior of the student I teach.
I will be having a sit down with my Korean teacher and tell her things MUST change as in she better get them to not be loud and disrupt my class when Im teaching, as in when I tell them not to throw stuff across them room and they do it anyway and laugh in my face, or as in making them not get up out of their seat every 5 minutes. If this stuff cant be fixed they can look for a new teacher. |
Better book your ticket back now, best to be prepared. |
I aint wasting money if I can avoid it. I must stay till atleast december to pay my bills and cover my expenses.
I can also retrain the mind to not give a sh**. This doesnt really appeal to me as the students that cared and wanted to learn would suffer. |
Hmm I guess I should clarify. If you have that attitude with your co-teacher, boss, and so on, you're not going to win any fans. I know you're all hard and command respect from small and dastardly children by virtue of said hardness, thus not requiring any fans, but rock the boat and the boss will tip you out of it in a heartbeat. |
That would actually be a good thing. Id be on the next flight out of Korea.
And maybe I should have clarified. The way I worded what I planned on saying to my Co-teacher was not the exact words I will use when I speak with her.
It will be more along the lines of:
Im having some difficulties with some of my classes / students.
They do not listen to a thing I tell them and are very loud making it almost impossible to teach a constructive class.
What do you suggest I do to keep an orderly classroom?
Then my next response would totally depend on what she has to say about the situation. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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That would actually be a good thing. Id be on the next flight out of Korea.
And maybe I should have clarified. The way I worded what I planned on saying to my Co-teacher was not the exact words I will use when I speak with her.
It will be more along the lines of:
Im having some difficulties with some of my classes / students.
They do not listen to a thing I tell them and are very loud making it almost impossible to teach a constructive class.
What do you suggest I do to keep an orderly classroom?
Then my next response would totally depend on what she has to say about the situation. |
If it's a good thing then you've nothing to lose.
When you have this conversation, she will smile nervously while simultaneously thinking you're off your rocker. But never fear, if you keep pushing and pushing, the director will take notice and correct everything for you. You just have to make a name for yourself. |
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BackRow
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm new myself and while classroom management for me is a work in progress, I've been lucky enough (sofar) to only have one class be a serious problem. This one small middle school speaking class of 3 kids refuses to do anything, I actually wish they were loud and disruptive because at least then they're speaking...even if in korean. It's a shame because my other middle school class has about 7 students and they talk a bunch (in english!) and participate pretty well...and this is a writing class.
The 3 student class has extremely poor english, so I suppose part of it is due to embarrassment on their parts. |
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Mix1
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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When you have this conversation, she will smile nervously while simultaneously thinking you're off your rocker. ... |
Yup. Don't involve the Korean teacher if you don't have to. It's up to YOU to make things work in your own classroom. If you can show you can handle that then you may gain a few bonus points towards building decent rapport with the other teachers and if they are on your side that will really help.
The Korean teachers don't have much incentive to help, and in many cases enjoy the fact that you are failing. They like having the double standard on their side as it gives them power. They won't admit this to you of course.
There is a mega double standard regarding how Koreans treat non-Koreans, so it's best to get used to that now.
Yes, in YOUR mind you deserve respect and have authority. But you're not Korean; In the students' minds you're essentially a smiling foreign monkey who lets them get away with misbehaving, and it's hilarious to them. They know there are no repercussions at all for misbehavior, and since you aren't Korean, you don't register on their social scale. It's the same mindset they makes them yell from afar "Ah! Weigookin! HI!!! Puck you!! hahaha..." We now have a whole generation of spoiled rotten Korean kids growing up with this attitude, and most of the adults never check them on it, because 1. they don't discipline kids anymore, and 2. inside many of them essentially feel the same way. Actually they are letting the kids get away with more and more and it's going to bite them eventually but that's a different story.
Sounds like your school has no discipline system in place though, so you may have to fend for yourself and make your own guidelines and limits. You say you don't take sh*t but you've already taken a boatload from the kids, so whatever you are doing in class obviously isn't enough.
How can you win them over? For every teacher it's different but first, REALLY stop taking their s*it, get scary, and show them that they CANNOT act like that. If they act better you can always let them back into your good graces later, but only if they deserve it. Get a reward and punishment system going and post class rules so they know what is acceptable and what isn't. you might try a providing fun and engaging lessons too that they will WANT to engage in. Use competition to your advantage and get them going against each other instead of against you. Team activities, etc. |
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shifty
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Excellent post Mix1; all what I would have wanted to say. |
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joelove
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Good post above. I was gonna say something clever but... |
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