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Moondoggy

Joined: 07 Jun 2011

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:52 pm Post subject:

ttompatz wrote:

Males outnumber females by about 10-1.

It varies a bit depending on where they are coming from and visa class (E1 and E2) from at close as 4-1 and as high as 15-1.

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ttompatz must've been confused. probably he meant that males outnumber females by 10-1 on dave's esl cafe.

according to 경기도교육청 (gyeonggi provincial office of education), as of 2011-9-10, out of 2093 원어민교사 foreign english teachers hired by 경기도 gyeonggi province 974 are males and 1119 are females. the nationwide figures would be like 50:50.

World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:12 am Post subject:

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:

This is exactly what I was getting at, TUM. Thanks. EXACTLY what I was yapping about.

Actually, he is making the opposite case (of your position). There are many more male F-2s than female F-2s. (And there are more male F-4s than female F-4s.)

World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:20 am Post subject:

Moondoggy wrote:

according to 경기도교육청 (gyeonggi provincial office of education), as of 2011-9-10, out of 2093 원어민교사 foreign english teachers hired by 경기도 gyeonggi province 974 are males and 1119 are females.

If that is a correct figure, it goes to show women are able to get the more desirable jobs (like GEPIK)...but most jobs aren't at a public school. Most are hagwon jobs.

Females are represented in a more equitable ratio in SMOE and GEPIK, and I would guess less in rural EPIK areas.

But overall, there are WAY more hagwon jobs than public school jobs.

As I said earlier in the thread, females have an advantage in both this ESL market in Korea and elsewhere in Asia and all over the world, and also have an advantage over men in the West.

On the demand side in Korea: females are desired more than men.

On the supply side: more men than women are available.

Mr Lee's Monkey

Joined: 24 Oct 2007

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:29 am Post subject:

World Traveler No TUM and I were making the same point - thank goodness the world you travel in is mostly different than mine - go back to waitress world, okay?

rainism

Joined: 13 Apr 2011

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:54 am Post subject:

anyone have an approximate number of people on F2 and F4's that are teachers? I'd bet that the number of E1's are actually close to 3K. and the number of F2's and F4's that teach? that's a tough one. I'd guess say 5K. which would still leave the overall ratio close to 2 to 1 male, no?

World Traveler

Joined: 29 May 2009

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:21 am Post subject:

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:

World Traveler No TUM and I were making the same point - thank goodness the world you travel in is mostly different than mine - go back to waitress world, okay?

Are you sure about that, brah? TUM (rightly) said that E-1s, F-4s, and F-2s skew the numbers, and while he didn't specifically say which way, it shouldn't take a genius to know there are many more males than females on all of those visa types.

You said my posts were absurd, but were unable to articulate why. Are you some kind of white knight to whom it is inconceivable that women can be given preferencial treatment?

Unemployment for male graduates far worse than for female graduates
http://www.hepi.ac.uk/478-1849/Unemployment-for-male-graduates-far-worse-than-for-female-graduates-%E2%80%93-findings-of-a-HEPI-report-published-today.html

Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

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median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).

A Good Samaritian story...

...but I suspect the guys were being good Samaritans because there was a hot woman involved.

It's raining money! Waitress trips and pours $1,000 into the crowd at ball game... but every last cent is returned
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037788/Its-raining-money-Waitress-trips-pours-1-000-crowd-ball-game--cent-returned.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

The article doesn't say at what point in the game this happened. Was it at the beginning of the game? Halfway through? Towards the very end? Either way, how in the heck did the waitress have so much money in her hand when she tripped and dropped it into the stands below?

A football game is what, three hours?

There no way a waitress should be getting paid over $100 for 3 hours of work. ($33 dollars an hour). Especially when it is unskilled labor.

Anyways, here's something we can all agree on (I think it applies to you, and you think it applies to me):

Unposter wrote:

for the most part, Dave's is a bunch of people who really don't know what they are talking about, looking for fights and debates and just talking past each other.

Mr Lee's Monkey

Joined: 24 Oct 2007

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:19 am Post subject:

I don't agree with Unposter or you, World Traveler. Bold of you to state what I think and what we all agree on - but mistaken. Your momma is a waitress.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject:

World Traveler wrote:

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:

World Traveler No TUM and I were making the same point - thank goodness the world you travel in is mostly different than mine - go back to waitress world, okay?

No. Most F-2's are (mostly) SEA women because there are so many Korean guys who can't find a woman here (partly due to the skewed gender ratios here).

Now if we are strictly talking those who are eligible to teach then it is likely a bit more equitable.

Ribena

Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

World Traveler wrote:

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:

World Traveler No TUM and I were making the same point - thank goodness the world you travel in is mostly different than mine - go back to waitress world, okay?

Are you talking about mail-order brides?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:45 am Post subject:

Ribena wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

World Traveler wrote:

Mr Lee's Monkey wrote:

World Traveler No TUM and I were making the same point - thank goodness the world you travel in is mostly different than mine - go back to waitress world, okay?

Are you talking about mail-order brides?

Yes. Which is why I specified that we should define our terms a bit more strictly if we are just talking English teachers. Because most of these MOB's are not eligible to teach. Although I do know of some Filipinas who are married to Koreans who are teaching in various kindergarden schools...the Korean Times ran an article on this a few years back.

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