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[isisaredead]

[eamo]

Alright, I didn't notice when I posted yesterday that this was yet another anti-Che thread by dudelove.

Dudelove, why do you hate Che so much?

Because he was a homophobe?

[Steelrails]

Clearly with all the avatars of Che on Dave's, this forum is filled with legions of his fans.

[ZIFA]

[Dude Love]

-I don't hate Che, just find it remarkably odd that so many people think a homophobic, racist, anti-Semitic chamagne socialist who dropped out of college and got lost in the jungle after writing a book on guerilla warfare and never fought in a military victory and surrendered with a fully loaded weapon and begged for his life was so great.
-As for Marx, decide yourself if he was another anti-Semite (thanks to http://www.nikutai-to-kageboushi.com/discourse/antismtm.html)
In 1844 Karl Marx published "On the Jewish Question" 1, otherwise known as "A World Without Jews." Some excerpts:

Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry 1
The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange. 1
The Jew is perpetually created by civil society from its own entrails. 1
The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of of the merchant, of the man of money in general. 1
Contempt for theory, art, history, and for man as an end in himself, which is contained in an abstract form in the Jewish religion 1
Judaism could not develop further as a religion, could not develop further theoretically, because the world outlook of practical need is essentially limited and is completed in a few strokes. 1
Jewish Jesuitism, the same practical Jesuitism which Bauer discovers in the Talmud, is the relation of the world of self-interest to the laws governing that world, the chief art of which consists in the cunning circumvention of these laws. 1
We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed 1
In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest 1
Christianity had only in semblance overcome real Judaism. It was too noble-minded, too spiritualistic to eliminate the crudity of practical need in any other way than by elevation to the skies. 1
it is only in the Christian world that civil society attains perfection 1
Indeed, in North America, the practical domination of Judaism over the Christian world has achieved as its unambiguous and normal expression that the preaching of the Gospel itself and the Christian ministry have become articles of trade, and the bankrupt trader deals in the Gospel just as the Gospel preacher who has become rich goes in for business deals. 1
Only then could Judaism achieve universal dominance and make alienated man and alienated nature into alienable, vendible objects subjected to the slavery of egoistic need and to trading. 1
The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism. 1
Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism -- huckstering and its preconditions -- the Jew will have become impossible 1
This essay was only the tip of the iceburg, and it is clear that Marx held a racial component...

This young lady, who instantly overwhelmed me with her kindness, is the ugliest creature I have seen in my entire life, with repulsive Jewish facial features. 13
how much good does it do Mr. Levy to attack Mr. Disraeli and to turn an I into a Y, since Mother Nature has inscribed his family tree in the craziest lettering right in the middle of his face 14
little Jew Braun hasn't written to me since my manuscript arrived, and that was over four weeks ago 15
So we find that behind every tyrant stands a Jew 16
it is well-known that the Russian nobility are, moreover, indebted, to a large extent, to private individuals, bankers, tradesmen, Jews and usurers 17
The Austrian Kaiser's dependency on the Jews of the Vienna Bank grows in tandem with the military character of his rule 18
The little Jew Bamberger hasn't given me a centime so far 19
And as for the Jews, who since the emancipation of their sect have everywhere put themselves, at least in the person of their eminent representatives, at the head of the counter-revolution -- what awaits them? 20
Given how repellent the Israelite faith is to me, Bauer's view seems to me too abstract 21

[isisaredead]

[isisaredead]

[daskalos]

[HELICIS]

*YAWN*

A liberal socialist who's concerned that a guy who died 50 years ago hated lots of the PC crowd's current pets. Didn't you get all that silly shit out of your system in college? Sounds like you're in dire need of getting a life!

[Steelrails]

Seriously, this thread is so 80s-90s. Should I sign onto America Online and order a VHS or book on cassette about Che on my Gateway 2000? Sorry I might not have time to squeeze it in between the mixtapes I'm listening to. Hey how bout that Jim Carrey? So far no crappy movies yet. I'm sure that Cable Guy one will be his latest masterpiece...

No one cares about Che anymore.

If you want to denounce someone the college age set idolizes go after Ron Paul. (chill haters, I'm a Ron Paul fan). I guarantee this thread would be up to page 10 if you did that.

[Dude Love]

You're right, steelrails. this summer I only saw 3 Che shirts. Interesting how almost only people in their 20's ever wear those.

[nukeday]

I don't really see why it's surprising that someone who preached a certain economic philosophy would (or wouldn't be) homophobic. Seems pretty unrelated to me.

Anyway, I live in China now. One of the last vestiges of collective living is free heating in the winter. OMG the Black Book of Communism!

You're beating a dead horse. Actually, I feel a bit sorry for you...Perhaps you were one of the premier Soviet Studies academics who got left behind once the USSR collapsed. Is that what brought you to Korea???

[Dude Love]

"I don't really see why it's surprising that someone who preached a certain economic philosophy would (or wouldn't be) homophobic."
-My point was that his homophobia was part of what made him such a douche and I want his followers to be aware of it.
"You're beating a dead horse."
-You're entitled to your opinion, although maybe in commie China you're not allowed to express it openly.
"Actually, I feel a bit sorry for you...Perhaps you were one of the premier Soviet Studies academics who got left behind once the USSR collapsed. Is that what brought you to Korea???"
-It's the second time I've heard something like that and no, not even close.