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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
Koreans are gluttons for punishment... Punishing a kid isn't going to work... they already don't have lives... there is nothing you can do to them that would make their lives any worse. |
Are you engaged in some online competition to see who can post the most incorrect statements on a message board? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Embarrass him... make him look like an idiot in front of his classmates.
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This has worse reprucussions mentally, emotionally, psychologically than a slight slap to the head. Any teacher who demeans their students or treats them in such a disrespectful manner really doesn't belong in the classroom.
You may have quieted him down but you lost your influence and teaching moments with the student with this idea..
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This time, I agree, calendar. Emotional and psychological abuse are just as unacceptable as physical abuse.
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| That kid never talked in my class again. |
Since your ultimate goal is to get your students to speak English, you may have won the battle, but you lost the war. Good job. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| Chris.Quigley wrote: |
Use his culture against him...
Embarrass him... make him look like an idiot in front of his classmates. . |
I used to do this until I realised that it is ultimately, counter-productive.
By teasing or demeaning the student you are losing the high ground and lyou stop being an example for them to follow.
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| f you really , or even in you dreams, wish to punch a student, then you are scum. Simple as that. |
Cmon I think every teacher at some point has momentarily fantasized about boxing the ears of some deserving teenager. Lets face it there is an epidemic of them nowadays.
Of course only the mentally insane would ever actually do so. |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:41 am Post subject: Re: How to not punch a kid in the face? |
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1. Go to the gym
2. Talk to the kid
3. Go have a beer
4 Go find other teachers to talk to
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| I teach high school. I keep getting goaded by this one skinny little kid with a bright future as a gas attendant or a quick service driver, so he just goes to school to start something. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with him so that I don't punch him in the face and get sued/jailed/deported? |
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hwa jang shil
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a 5th grade elementary student with severe problems. Apparently on account of his violent father.
Firstly, he's a whiner, that baby whine that Koreans sometimes do 'Orghrerrrr'. every kind of punishment/admonishment is met with this sound accompanied by a 'why is the world against me face'. He bullies kids in 1st and 2nd grade, and also a tiny 5th grade kid with learning difficulties and a dead father, he takes great pleasure in tormenting him about his lack of dad. He can not play games because he refuses to lose and will cheat. He is rude to the korean teachers, telling them to shut up, and he greeted me with the finger and 'got' after the Chuseok break. An absolutely charming boy, I'd dearly love to clout the little shit, but I'd rather have 10 minutes alone with his dad and a piece of 2 by 4.
Oh and none of the suggested superteacher methods of dealing with troublesome kids would work or have worked.
OP Your student is high school he's nearly legal to hit in the face. Bide your time! |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Good luck you guys. The topic sounds a little crazy though. You guys definitely need to vent somewhere cause punching a kid is not even an option.
| hwa jang shil wrote: |
I've got a 5th grade elementary student with severe problems. Apparently on account of his violent father.
Firstly, he's a whiner, that baby whine that Koreans sometimes do 'Orghrerrrr'. every kind of punishment/admonishment is met with this sound accompanied by a 'why is the world against me face'. He bullies kids in 1st and 2nd grade, and also a tiny 5th grade kid with learning difficulties and a dead father, he takes great pleasure in tormenting him about his lack of dad. He can not play games because he refuses to lose and will cheat. He is rude to the korean teachers, telling them to shut up, and he greeted me with the finger and 'got' after the Chuseok break. An absolutely charming boy, I'd dearly love to clout the little shit, but I'd rather have 10 minutes alone with his dad and a piece of 2 by 4.
Oh and none of the suggested superteacher methods of dealing with troublesome kids would work or have worked.
OP Your student is high school he's nearly legal to hit in the face. Bide your time! |
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lsucpolk
Joined: 07 Feb 2011
Location: Gwangju
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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About him:
He is the ring-leader of a little group notorious for bullying students around the school. The other co-teachers regularly complain about this group's attitudes, about how cruel they are. One veteran teacher says they have never encountered a group like this before at the school.
I'm relatively new here, so I haven't gotten the full treatment yet, but I got the feeling it is coming. I deal with lazy or immature kids all day who are pretty much good-natured. But this guy is a future gangster. No moral compass.
What he does besides just not listening or not participating is basically everything he can to disrupt a class including hitting other students, shouting and drawing obscenities (in Korean and English), and taunting everyone including my coteacher, me, and the other students. Now, I can deal with all this, but I'm just worried that if he tries hitting or touching me, I might go off on him.
All of this wouldn't be an issue if there were steps in place for discipline. Basically, the issue here is that there is really nothing I can do. The entire system at my school was built about the ability to hit the students, and ever since the law changed the teachers really don't have much of a system in place.
1) There is no way to just "kick him out of the class" It is against our school policy.
2) If I just exclude him, (like make him stand in the back) he will just act up from there.
3) Can't send him to the principal's office or contact his parents like in the States.
4) Detention is meaningless. We have something of a point system, but this kid has racked up so many points that he is basically already doing community service for the rest of his high school life.
5) Nobody wants to expel him. Apparently he is on "the line" but nobody with the power to do so is quite ready to do that yet apparently.
So the frustration comes from having no real ability to police anything. I can shout and I can scream and I can threaten, but this kid is well aware it is all bark and no bite.
I talked to a co-teacher about it, and basically we are just trying to set up an environment where we can possibly defuse any possible situations, but basically every class with him and this group is a lost cause. It really feels like babysitting when it comes to this class. |
Have a zero tolerance policy for Korean in the classroom. Use any disciplinary resource available to prevent this. That is the most important thing. As the class becomes an environment where English is spoken, make fun of the "ringleader's" English in front of other students. I promise you, a smartass comment will come out of his mouth, and whenever it does, mock him. Most students will laugh, and liberally laugh with them. I only recommend this for "ringleaders." It may not work for every teacher, but it does for me. Be extremely scrutinizing of every aspect of his speaking in class exercises, and feel free to make fun of him in this area also. Basically, show him no mercy, and beat him at his own game. Move him to the back of the class, and all the good students to the front, some teachers like it the other way around, but I find that ringleaders are more distracting when everybody can see them. And punish any student who turns around to look at him. The ringleader may not care when he is punished, but other students care when they are. It sucks that you can't kick him out of class, or send him to the principal, because that works best. You will never be able to completely shut him up, or suddenly make him studious, so kind of accept that he is who he is, and be who you are, the teacher, and don't allow him to run your class. |
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ZIFA
Joined: 23 Feb 2011
Location: Dici che il fiume..Trova la via al mare
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| lsucpolk wrote: |
| make fun of the "ringleader's" English in front of other students. I promise you, a smartass comment will come out of his mouth, and whenever it does, mock him. |
It works, at least in the short term. I occasionally lapse into it.
I try to avoid this though because you're stooping to a lower level, and ultimately this becomes counter-productive because you've legitimised their game.
I try to keep the high ground...I think it helps you retain the moral authority which is very useful. |
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