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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: Kyungbuk
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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calendar's idiotic respnse would be:
well at least you know you did the right thing as a teacher....don't let the door hit your %#*# on the way out! |
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shifter2009

Joined: 03 Sep 2006 Location: wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
I'm about 90% sure you're a troll anyway though, so... |
Even the most hardcore apologists have called him out. I am surprised he hasn't been hit with the ban hammer yet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
[qu Until we can work without needing sponsoring, without an E2, just contract in hand and report all income (like any normal citizen of the WORLD), we will be subject to the same scrutiny a slave would be under.
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There is no such thing as a citizen of the world. Citizens and foreigners have different rights when it comes to working. That is the same ALL over the world. I've already posted a link that shows that much the same conditions apply to foreign workers in the U.S and I could post other links to other countries showing the same.
What you are asking for koreatimes is something that DOES NOT EXIST anywhere. If you want the same rights as a Korean citizen then become a Korean citizen. Military service and all. Oh wait you have those rights as a citizen back in your home country...why aren't you working there then? |
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Skill
Joined: 06 Jul 2011 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
You alll take the cake. there is no legal ground to support pulling a runner. Terminate a contract does not mean you disappear without giving notice.
But then you all will read it as you see fit, in your favor and you could care less about the damage you do to innocent people. It makes you worse than the Korean employer you claim is ripping you off.
There is always 2 sides to the story and alas, on Dave's only one side is always given which most members blindly jump to support without any evidence whatsoever. How wrong to condemn and accuse people who cannot defend themselves, then to support wrongful acts.
This place is more of a kangaroo court than a place to discuss issues. You have a contract, follow it. Runners are not in the contract. It doesn't matter if the Korean employer follows it or not, if they don't and you do then you rare innocent, if you don't then you are as guilty as you claim the Korean employer is.
Your words do show me that you do not belong in a classroom for your concern for your students is lacking. You do not see the consequences of your actions because you only think of yourselves and that selfishness blinds you. So does the demand for more money, more benefits and so on.
I can see why teachers in the west have it so rough now, because the mindset is not one for teaching but 'I want to get mine' just like the athletes of today claim. Is it really that tough for you to give your notice and be responsible members of society?
Is it really that difficult to follow the terms you agreed to follow when you placed your signature on the contract? Keeping your word is more important than you think. Do you really think you have accomplished anything by stooping to the level you claim the Korean employer has?
Get some honor, some character, some integrity instep of stepping into the gutter to get whatyou want. |
How does that work?
The contract is a two way thing. If the employer has broken the contract then he is not obligated to honour it.
Why should he feel obliged to getting screwed over again? |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth,
There is no need replying to me with existing options and trying to explain to me rules I already know. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth,
There is no need replying to me with existing options and trying to explain to me rules I already know. |
Then there is no need to write stuff like "citizen of the world" which makes people think that you don't know the rules. |
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Skill
Joined: 06 Jul 2011 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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Citizen of the world. I would like one of those. Where do I sign up?
(I am sure everyone here knows what he meant.) |
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Redcap
Joined: 03 Jan 2010
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Gorf :
You said that your contract made no mention of shared accommodation. But did the contract specify single accommodation ? If not, then your employer is well within his/her legal rights to assign you a roomie.
If however, your contract specifically states that single, non-shared housing is to be provided, then you are certainly entitled to it.
Assuming your job was lined up by a recruiting agency, this may be one of those rare occasions where the recruiter may be motivated to get off their ass and get involved. Generally, if a teacher does not last 3 months at a placement, the recruiter may not be paid a commission. If its in the interests of your recruiting agency that you remain at your school, then they may actually be willing to discuss the issue with the school and attain a resolution ( and secure their commission).
If your employer has indeed breached your contract, the Labor Standards Act provides you with the legal entitlement to terminate your contract immediately. In such instances, you are not legally bound to give your employer 30 days notice. Whether you do so or not, is up to you to decide. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Skill wrote: |
Citizen of the world. I would like one of those. Where do I sign up?
(I am sure everyone here knows what he meant.) |
You don't have to sign up at all. There are no waiting lines, no rules, no one to enforce the rules. I can teach any Korean on the internet where I am living now. I can teach any Indian, Mexican, or Arab also. I am not confined to Korean law and only the manmade walls "South" is labeled under.
If Korea changes its laws to allow me to do the same in Korea, then I might return someday. People complain about China censoring, but actually they don't give a crap. The media content blocked on Youtube can easily be accessed through other sites.
This is about control. It's not about allowing people to work and live where they want, how they want. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Hypothetical:
I started this job on Aug. 1st. My contract says I need to give "two months notice". If I get them to give me the pension money and tough it out utility 6 months (thereby making it so I don't have any obligation at all to pay airfare), would this schedule be right?
Aug 1 - Aug 31 (1 full month)
Sep 1 - Sep 30 (2 full months)
Oct 1 - Oct 31 (3 full months)
Nov 1 - Nov 30 (4 full months, give 2 months notice on last day in the month)
Dec 1 - Dec 31 (5 full months)
Jan 1 - Jan 31 (6 full months, Jan 31 my last day)
Or would they say "Aug 1 - Feb 1 is 6 months". I will ask them eventually, but I just wanna be hypothetical for the purposes of making sure if I quit on Jan 31 that they wouldn't still try and get airfare money from me. For what it's worth, my contract is from Aug 1, 2011 to July 31, 2012. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Gorf, you have not answered the question about housing in your contract. Two people have now asked.
Did your contract state that you would have single housing?
Since you have ducked this question, we will have to assume NO it did not and you have no complaint and no reason to quit or run.
Now you claim that you started work on August 1. That means that when you started your thread you had worked less than 2 months, and not 2.5 months as originally claimed.
This is important because it means that most likely no payments were due from your boss to the national Pension and national Health insurance at the time you said you called them. So, while your boss may indeed steal from you in the future, at the present time
you cannot claim that he has not paid since no payments were due yet.
So. As of now you have no complaint. People here have been to quick to jump on your bandwagon with no facts.
You never answered this question either:
Did you get your ARC (Alien Registration Card) yet? When did you get it?
You see, your boss cannot sign you up for health insurance or pension until after you get your ARC. Then, after you are signed up, they will begin to send bills to your boss to pay. After the first bill comes, which takes some time after signing up, after you get your ARC, the payment due date comes some weeks later.
In short, it is probable that no payments were due at the time you called.
So, you have no complaint. No cause to run. No cause to quit. Not based on the facts you have given us. |
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the_curious
Joined: 04 Oct 2010
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| calendar wrote: |
Oh and I like morality. It saves one from a lot of trouble.
One thing to keep in mind, your position is that you are demanding that the Koreans be moral yet you refuse to be moral yourselves. Don't expect the Korean employer to do what you refuse to do.
You really have no argument. If you want the Koreans to do things right, then you have to do the right thing as well and you cannot wait for the other person to do it or it will never get done.
One caveat, Not everyone will be moral or do the right thing no matter how good you are but that doesn't excuse you from being moral or doing the righth thing. (example: How you treat me.) |
Do you love Jesus? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| Not ONE E2 is a slave in Korea. E2s are FOREIGN WORKERS on SPONSORED VISA. This is the case for most foreign workers the world over. |
Because it happens all over the world, then it should be deemed ok? The fact we have to be sponsored is enough to say at least someone else is controlling things. Until we can work without needing sponsoring, without an E2, just contract in hand and report all income (like any normal citizen of the WORLD), we will be subject to the same scrutiny a slave would be under.
What you fail to discern is abuse of slavery and slavery itself. The slavery you read about in history class had to do with slaves who were abused because they rebelled. You did not read about the slaves that worked the fields and didn't speak out. They weren't given a passport with a visa, but they were stamped and branded with their owner's name in a similar fashion. If you speak out and do things differently, then you will be deported. They were afraid to speak out. Perhaps, others told them like you are doing, "Oh, we don't have it so bad. Just go to sleep and continue tomorrow." |
Wow you need SERIOUS help sorry. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I didn't mean to glaze over any questions. Yes my contract says single housing. I got my ARC card my first week here. I haven't had time to call the pension office (sick and can't frigging talk! What's the deal with how persistent colds are here??) but other teachers haven't been getting theirs for the past few months so I can only assume I haven't either. Yeah it's an assumption, but I can't imagine that after two paydays it wouldn't have been kicked into yet, and I am missing nearly the same amount of money that the pension and medical should be for both of my first two checks.
That, and as I pointed out in my earlier thread about this place (it should be a few pages back) the working conditions really, really suck and I simply won't accept being put into shared housing and lied to, which constantly happens at this school. The place is a chaotic disaster and the school is slowly going out of business, as the owners have less ESL experience than I do, which is not to say that they can't run their school the way they want, but I won't have anything to do with it. |
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ptaza
Joined: 03 Mar 2011
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: What happened to immigration restrictions? |
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For future reference, does this mean there are no potential snags with immigration in your new town looking you up and seeing that you just dipped out on an E2 that hasn't even been cold for 2 days?
Do they not keep records or never have or they just don't care anymore? |
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