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lichtarbeiter

Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject:

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You will not see reason and think some slighthas been made to you by your Korean employers when it is not. They are asking you to do the same thing they ask of their Korean employees.

Are you implying that we should tolerate an employer's contract violations because the Korean employees also tolerate it? Unacceptable.

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If they didn't you would charge them with hypocrisy or some other accusation because you will never be happy here and yo need something to exert your 'independence'.

Baseless assumptions, mindless babble...

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If you want to run the show, feel free to start your own school and do things the way you want them done.

Feel free to start my own school and violate the contracts I've signed with my teachers? Thank you for your stamp of approval. Unfortunately, an entity that holds a little more authority than you (that being Korean labour law) does not approve.

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In the other thread you said you had a stake in someone elses's problem because you taught here and you said I was part of the problem for certain actions taking place

It's unfortunate that you are unable to comprehend the fact that several cases of "someone else's problem" accumulate to create a large, general problem that can potentially affect everyone in the industry.

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well you are part of the problem because you are now causing problems for everyone else because you demand your sick days regardless of the culture.

I'm "causing problems for everyone" because I hold my employer to task when it comes to honouring his end of the contract that we signed together? You are simply embarrassing yourself by promoting your "culture" cop-out.

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You all who make a big argument over this issue are causing problems as many problems for other FTs and those who may follow you.

If that's the case, then you won't have any difficulty demonstrating why we're causing problems for future FTs.

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As I explained earlier, that is impossible given the visa system and why should they change the visas regulations to accomodate you?

You're simply talking out of your rear. I know from personal experience that schools that plan well are able to accommodate sick calls without much difficulty. There's no requirement that your substitute for the day is another FT.

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Their actions do not justify or give permission for you to break the contract.

If a contract stipulates sick days, how does taking a sick day constitute breaking the contract?

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Not giving sick days at that moment is not breaking the contract, they are still there to use they just didn't give permission for them to be used that day.

Here's a deal I'll make with you: you go to "THE CONTRACT REVIEW THREAD" and find ONE contract that states that sick days must be pre-authorized by the employer, and I'll acknowledge that you're not completely talking out of your arse.

calendar

Joined: 22 Sep 2011
Location: being a hermit

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:23 pm Post subject:

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If a contract stipulates sick days, how does taking a sick day constitute breaking the contract?

There is a reason why I do not respond to you in full. I never said the above.

lichtarbeiter

Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Location: Korea

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject:

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There is a reason why I do not respond to you in full.

If I had nothing but your pathetic list of arguments in my repertoire, I wouldn't want to respond to anyone either.

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I never said the above.

Given the context where the only contractual issue discussed was that of sick days, the only reasonable interpretation of your statement is that FTs break the contract by taking sick days.

You honestly expect me to believe that's not what you meant by "break the contract"? There were no other contractual issues covered in the immediate context.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:24 am Post subject:

calendar wrote:

You people are all the same and it is not worth continuing to talk with you.
?

So why bother posting anymore then?

WadRUG'naDoo

Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:08 am Post subject:

calendar wrote:

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If a contract stipulates sick days, how does taking a sick day constitute breaking the contract?

There is a reason why I do not respond to you in full. I never said the above.

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

calendar

Joined: 22 Sep 2011
Location: being a hermit

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

calendar wrote:

You people are all the same and it is not worth continuing to talk with you.
?

So why bother posting anymore then?

What are you afraid of if I do? That you will lose some mythical right because you abided by the Korean culture and didn't take a sick day? it works out in the end if you do it for the right reasons. You are in Korea now, not the west, Korea goes by Korean standards not western ones. They are not wrong because they go contrary to western ideals or ways. The FT is the one who has to adapt not the Korean society.

Go to work, let your bosses send you home, that way everyone wins. It will save you trouble down the road.

cj1976

Joined: 26 Oct 2005

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject:

calendar wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

calendar wrote:

You people are all the same and it is not worth continuing to talk with you.
?

So why bother posting anymore then?

This must be a joke. Nobody can really believe such crap. Anyway, I'll humour it for now. Do you know what 'mythical' means? My employment contract wasn't written in unicorn blood. It quite clearly states in black and white the stipulations regarding sick days. I checked again and I couldn't find the part referring to 'Korean culture'.
Also, the employment contract is part of the Korean ideals and standards you talk about. What would be the point in writing it up otherwise?

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject:

cj1976 wrote:

[ My employment contract wasn't written in unicorn blood.

When I worked for hakwons mine seemed to be written in invisible ink.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:49 am Post subject:

calendar wrote:

Korea goes by Korean standards not western ones. They are not wrong because they go contrary to western ideals or ways. The FT is the one who has to adapt not the Korean society.

Oh, how you sound so familiar....

Korea has its own laws and standards. Those laws and standards are set by elected representatives. And hopefully, they represent the majority's thoughts.

That being said, every society has those that don't want to follow the rules. They are usually called criminals... or something like that.

Korea has them too.

Some Koreans are good, and some are bad... must we 'adapt' to suit the ethics of the bad? No.

If a LEGAL contract is written up and signed by both parties, then the responsible thing is to honour that contract. If the Korean party breaks said agreement, should they be followed simply because they are Korea?

Do you follow what every Korean tells you to do??

The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:28 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

cj1976 wrote:

[ My employment contract wasn't written in unicorn blood.

When I worked for hakwons mine seemed to be written in invisible ink.

...good one. Wink

rainism

Joined: 13 Apr 2011

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:33 am Post subject:

calendar wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

calendar wrote:

You people are all the same and it is not worth continuing to talk with you.
?

So why bother posting anymore then?

actually, even though I think you are either a buffoon, or most likely some Korean from Korean Sentry or someplace like that..

I completely agree with you (on the bolded part).

radcon

Joined: 23 May 2011

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:40 pm Post subject:

rainism wrote:

calendar wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

calendar wrote:

You people are all the same and it is not worth continuing to talk with you.
?

So why bother posting anymore then?

actually, even though I think you are either a buffoon, or most likely some Korean from Korean Sentry or someplace like that..

I completely agree with you (on the bolded part).

What happens when the boss doesn't send you home and tells you to "endure"? Then you must go home and defy the boss directly to his face which is even worse.

philipswoodjnr

Joined: 03 Oct 2011

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject:

Most employers want to see a sick note from a doctor before they will pay you your sick day wage.

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