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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:56 am Post subject: Re: anyone from Gwangju? might turn down a job there |
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| morningsoju wrote: |
so i lived in the hustle and bustle of Seoul for over a year and decided to give another place a try. i told my recruiter i was open to anywhere so i could see my options. he sent me two offers - one was in Daegu and the other in Gwangju, gwangyeoksi (not Gyeunggi-do). the Daegu school seemed to have an older smaller school and the Gwangju school was larger with more teachers. i already turned the Daegu position down and told them i will think about the Gwangju job. i haven't talked to any of the foreign teachers at the campus yet, but will hopefully do that soon.
can anyone in Gwangju share their experiences there? from what i've heard, it seems like a cool place to live with a lot of touristy stuff. thanks! |
I live in Gwangju/Kwangju. I've been here for over a month. I used to live in Ilsan and Cheonan, relatively close to Seoul. So far, I like Gwangju. At least, I like the look of the city. It's somewhat warmer than the Seoul area. Yes, it's a bit more conservative, but the people seem friendlier. There is a lot of hiking in the area. There is a growing expat crowd. The expats hang out at either: Speak Easy (a Western bar that also trivia nights), the German bar, and Bubble Bar (a noisy club scene with some fights here and there and people who think they're so cool).
There aren't a lot of foreign restaurants. You do have 1st Nepal for Indian, two Thai restaurants away from downtown, two Filipino restaurants, and the First Alley restaurant that serves poutine, Mexican food, and has a friendly wait stuff. Also, I would say I like the Gwangju International Center. I take Korean classes there. Gwangju is good for bicycle riding, too. The taxi drivers are nice and friendly.
One down-side is there isn't a lot of foreign food, but if you like Korean food, and are okay with what we've got, then go for it. There is a guy who does deliver hummus. You can go to the Bubble Bar and pick up your order. He also has great doner.
I like the city. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Whoever said Gwangju is politically liberal and socially conservative is correct. For Korea, being politically liberal often does mean being socially conservative because the normal trend is to develop economically and socially... they are liberal in the sense that they want to depart from the progressive policies of the government, nothing more or less than that. For foreigners, that political liberalness has little or no meaning other than that you get to hear people in Jeollanamdo complain about the Korean government a lot.
You are wrong. Korean families most certainly do have power to allow or disallow their children's marriages. Not legal power or physical power, but a lot of social and economic power. People usually live at home til they're married in South Korea; especially women. Do you think room and board alone is an incentive to do what daddy tells you? Money for university and other academics? Plus, Koreans have that 'obey your parents no matter what' thing going on for sure... Have you really been to Korea and met any Koreans, or are you just some lonely guy sitting in your basement in upcountry Canada pretending to be an apologist expert on expat life in Korea for 20 years or however long?
Yes, I have lived outside of Seoul.
No one said anything was bad or good about Gwangju being socially conservative. I think people who have a chip on their shoulder, get defensive, and are overly sensitive have a problem? hmmm Time to leave that basement and go out and get some sunlight, dude.
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| pest2 wrote: |
| Y Difficult to date women and men there because traditional conservative Korean families won't allow inter-racial marriage. ] |
Korean families have no power to allow or disallow marriage for their adult children.
And have you ever lived in there or anywhere outside of Seoul?
If anyone finds it difficult to date here it's mostly likely a problem with them and not a problem with the locals. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:31 am Post subject: |
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This is a good call Gwangju isn't bad, but there are better places.
| morningsoju wrote: |
| thanks for the input guys. its great to get insight from foreigners actually living there. but i think i may hold out and see if something better pops up closer to Seoul. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Gwangju is one of the most socially conservative places in Korea.
Korean women in the Seoul area I've spoken to married to husbands from that area, always refer to how "traditional" it is, and they mostly DREAD having to go there for their required visits to the husband's parents.
as a foreigner, that's where you may be more likely to get ugly stares, or comments, especially accompanying a Korean female.
Politically speaking it's the heart of the Korean "left".
they will be for rapprochement or appeasement with N. Korea for e.g.
they are big supporters of unions, teacher unions, etc etc
think of it as American "liberals".
it's a very strange mix, political liberals and social conservatives.
and yes, undoubtedly, the massacre there under the military junta has had a profound influence politically speaking on the region/city.
I like to think of it as Korean redneckville, socially speaking. It is the traditional capital of Jolla province, after all. |
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pest2

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:47 am Post subject: |
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This is right on, except when I was there I didn't get any more or fewer cold stares than I did anywhere else in Korea. The people are pretty friendly, actually.. But yeah, because they're socially conservative, they might be a little harder to get to know, sometimes. Still, they're mostly nice. I think another good analogy is to say that the place is like a city in the Southern USA 30 years ago. Maybe...hmmm.. Atlanta or Mobile. Same attitude toward the Federal govt, same politically liberal leanings and conservative social mores, similar history with riots, rebellion, racism, etc, same kind of local economy with agriculture being promient, people even have the same goofy smiles and silly overbites....and they do have something akin to "Southern hospitality", too.
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Gwangju is one of the most socially conservative places in Korea.
Korean women in the Seoul area I've spoken to married to husbands from that area, always refer to how "traditional" it is, and they mostly DREAD having to go there for their required visits to the husband's parents.
as a foreigner, that's where you may be more likely to get ugly stares, or comments, especially accompanying a Korean female.
Politically speaking it's the heart of the Korean "left".
they will be for rapprochement or appeasement with N. Korea for e.g.
they are big supporters of unions, teacher unions, etc etc
think of it as American "liberals".
it's a very strange mix, political liberals and social conservatives.
and yes, undoubtedly, the massacre there under the military junta has had a profound influence politically speaking on the region/city.
I like to think of it as Korean redneckville, socially speaking. It is the traditional capital of Jolla province, after all. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| pest2 wrote: |
You are wrong. Korean families most certainly do have power to allow or disallow their children's marriages. Not legal power or physical power, but a lot of social and economic power. People usually live at home til they're married in South Korea; especially women. Do you think room and board alone is an incentive to do what daddy tells you? Money for university and other academics? Plus, Koreans have that 'obey your parents no matter what' thing going on for sure... Have you really been to Korea and met any Koreans, or are you just some lonely guy sitting in your basement in upcountry Canada pretending to be an apologist expert on expat life in Korea for 20 years or however long?
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I've been in Korea for more than 10 years. You on the other hand left years ago according to you. WHICH one of us is more likely to be sitting somewhere else in a basement?
I know plenty of Koreans (women included) who live alone on their own. And plenty who don't give a darn about what daddy or mommy says. Your above post sounds like something out of a textbook from the 1980's. |
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edwardcatflap
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I know plenty of Koreans (women included) who live alone on their own. And plenty who don't give a darn about what daddy or mommy says. Your above post sounds like something out of a textbook from the 1980's. |
Are you really saying the women you describe are in the majority here because I don't agree with you. The majority of my students are women between their late twenties and forties and I overhear stories all the time about parents putting strong pressure on them to marry guys they aren't/weren't that keen on and forbidding them to get a place on their own until they get married. On top of that, nearly every guy I know who has dated a Korean woman seriously has run into problems and prejudice of one form or another. And I live in Seoul. I'd say the women you describe above are the exception not the rule. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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| I know plenty of Koreans (women included) who live alone on their own. And plenty who don't give a darn about what daddy or mommy says. Your above post sounds like something out of a textbook from the 1980's. |
Are you really saying the women you describe are in the majority here because I don't agree with you. The majority of my students are women between their late twenties and forties and I overhear stories all the time about parents putting strong pressure on them to marry guys they aren't/weren't that keen on and forbidding them to get a place on their own until they get married. On top of that, nearly every guy I know who has dated a Korean woman seriously has run into problems and prejudice of one form or another. And I live in Seoul. I'd say the women you describe above are the exception not the rule. |
Where did I say they were in the majority? I only pointed out that there are people all over Korea that don't fall into pest2's narrow definition of how she think Koreans live. Seriously do you really think that most 40 year olds who are say public school teachers and making good money still live with Mommy and Daddy? If they are unemployed/making only a little money, then yes I can see that. But in every place I've ever been I've known men and women who fit the above criteria I posted. And I live in rural conservative areas.
Also I think it's rather ironic pest2 is professing to be something of an authority on Korean life when she stated in another thread that she's happy not knowing Korean well because it would have meant she spent more time talking to Koreans instead of doing more interesting things.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=2570319&highlight=#2570319
Also keep in mind that many young women/men tend to migrate out of rural areas and towards urban areas.
About 1 in 10 of every household in Korea was single person and that was back in 1990 (20 years ago)
http://isdpr.org/isdpr/publication/journal/23/1994-07-23-01-07.pdf
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edwardcatflap
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Ok all that stuff about sitting in your basement was a bit strange but you can't really argue with this
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| People usually live at home til they're married in South Korea; especially women |
Also how many single female public school teachers in their forties do you come across? I've met plenty in their thirties who are still living at home.
I would also say that the majority of parents in Korea would be against their daughter dating a foreigner although this would manifest itself in a variety of different ways |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
Ok all that stuff about sitting in your basement was a bit strange but you can't really argue with this
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| People usually live at home til they're married in South Korea; especially women |
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Which is mostly the case for urban areas. Most young people get out of rural areas as soon as they can apparently. See my edit above for the survey. |
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morningsoju
Joined: 20 Aug 2011 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| from what ive heard, the girl's parents care more about MONEY and social status rather than race. if youre well educated and have some money, then its pretty normal to find parents trying to push their daughter to hurry and get married, even to foreigners. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| morningsoju wrote: |
| from what ive heard, the girl's parents care more about MONEY and social status rather than race. if youre well educated and have some money, then its pretty normal to find parents trying to push their daughter to hurry and get married, even to foreigners. |
TRUE, but since ESL teachers massively FAIL on the money and especially social status front, it's not applicable  |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007 Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
TRUE, but since ESL teachers massively FAIL on the money and especially social status front, it's not applicable  |
The US President's mother was a Teacher in Indonesia for many years. I guess she was failure too and low on the social status front, eh. Her son got into really crappy school; Harvard. |
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Squire

Joined: 26 Sep 2010 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Where did I say they were in the majority? I only pointed out that there are people all over Korea that don't fall into pest2's narrow definition of how she think Koreans live. Seriously do you really think that most 40 year olds who are say public school teachers and making good money still live with Mommy and Daddy? If they are unemployed/making only a little money, then yes I can see that. But in every place I've ever been I've known men and women who fit the above criteria I posted. And I live in rural conservative areas.
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Also keep in mind that many young women/men tend to migrate out of rural areas and towards urban areas.
About 1 in 10 of every household in Korea was single person and that was back in 1990 (20 years ago)
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Every single woman in her 30s (or under) I know here still live with their parents. In fairness the ones that don't are probably people I'd never encounter because they fled to the big cities, like Gwangju |
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rainism
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
TRUE, but since ESL teachers massively FAIL on the money and especially social status front, it's not applicable  |
The US President's mother was a Teacher in Indonesia for many years. I guess she was failure too and low on the social status front, eh. Her son got into really crappy school; Harvard. |
that was Indonesia, this is Korea. That was a long time ago, this is now. |
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