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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Wondering how the tea party even got drug into this conversation.
Also wondering if anyone thinks these protests have a chance of gaining any real traction....
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Because I guarantee you Kimbop, when he was swallowing GOP agitprop kool-aid, never asked the Tea Party protestors to "study and get a job."
Yes, these protests will be at least as meaningful as the Tea Party protests, and perhaps more if police continue to mace non-violent protestors. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Most media outlets are portraying the movement as a �leaderless� and �grassroots� campaign. But critics say the truth is far more sinister. Several reports and analysts have linked the growing demonstrations to an anti-capitalist plot led by union bosses widely labeled �economic terrorism� when it was first publicly revealed.
The complex scheme to kill what remains of the free market was inadvertently exposed earlier this year by community organizer Stephen Lerner of the SEIU, a regular White House guest. The secret got out after Lerner was caught on video discussing a plan to �bring down the stock market� and "destabilize" the nation using massive anti-banker protests � all with the stated goal of "redistributing wealth."
And Lerner was reportedly not acting alone. Another alleged conspirator said to be pulling the strings behind the scenes is disgraced ACORN founder and union boss Wade Rathke. He, too, was calling for massive �Day of Rage� protests targeting bankers and business earlier this year.
And like Lerner, Rathke is also closely tied to President Obama (who ironically, is intimately linked to the big banks which financed his campaign). Even before Obama�s political career, the connections are well documented. In fact, the President actually used to work for Rathke�s �community organizing� outfit ACORN, which was recently exposed engaging in widespread criminal activity even as it received millions in federal tax dollars.
Most of the big unions and socialist groups kept their distance from the movement publicly � in the beginning. But in recent days and weeks, an avalanche of supporters have jumped on the bandwagon, including prominent unions tied to the AFL-CIO and the SEIU, powerful Big-Labor front groups such as the Strong Economy for All Coalition, and numerous openly socialist and communist organizations and political parties.
Notorious anti-capitalist agitators such as �documentary� maker Michael Moore and �African-American studies� Professor Cornel West are now backing the movement, too � among many others. And more big-wig supporters and well-financed organizations are expected to officially announce their support soon.
Even some constitutionalists and sound-money advocates had started expressing support for the movement early on, especially because of some mild criticism of the Federal Reserve and the �bankster bailouts� expressed by organizers. But as the communist and socialist bent of the campaign becomes increasingly obvious, conservative and liberty-minded activists are sounding the alarm.
More �occupations� are being planned in major U.S. and European cities. Some have already taken place and will supposedly continue until the movement�s �demands� are met. Meanwhile, plans to �Occupy D.C.� on October 6 are still moving ahead as scheduled. And some supporters are even calling the campaign a �revolution.� |
So it's Obama and the Commie unions against the Banksters?
Can anybody draw up a diagram for this? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Can anybody draw up a diagram for this? |
I nominate you for that responsibility. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
Can anybody draw up a diagram for this? |
I nominate you for that responsibility. |
There goes my weekend. |
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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Because I guarantee you Kimbop, when he was swallowing GOP agitprop kool-aid, never asked the Tea Party protestors to "study and get a job."
Yes, these protests will be at least as meaningful as the Tea Party protests, and perhaps more if police continue to mace non-violent protestors. |
Tea Partyers already have jobs, thus the "stop spending" "lower my taxes" mantra. They did not shut down a bridge, or stop traffic, or demand entry onto private property, or get arrested by the hundreds. But we're not discussing Tea Partyers, we're discussing young, entitled, left-wing hippies. So let's stay on topic.
The issue is simple: These people want to cancel their student debt after choosing the wrong majors. And they want me to pay for it.
When you can't handle reality, when your life sucks and you are the cause of the failure, when you are too lazy/entitled to work at Taco Bell in Nacogdoches, too dumb to understand socialism is a ponzi scheme and so stupid that you can be sucked in by the community organizer types to sleep in a street.
No worries . . . winter is coming. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
Because I guarantee you Kimbop, when he was swallowing GOP agitprop kool-aid, never asked the Tea Party protestors to "study and get a job."
Yes, these protests will be at least as meaningful as the Tea Party protests, and perhaps more if police continue to mace non-violent protestors. |
Tea Partyers already have jobs, thus the "stop spending" "lower my taxes" mantra. They did not shut down a bridge, or stop traffic, or demand entry onto private property, or get arrested by the hundreds. But we're not discussing Tea Partyers, we're discussing young, entitled, left-wing hippies. So let's stay on topic.
The issue is simple: These people want to cancel their student debt after choosing the wrong majors. And they want me to pay for it.
When you can't handle reality, when your life sucks and you are the cause of the failure, when you are too lazy/entitled to work at Taco Bell in Nacogdoches, too dumb to understand socialism is a ponzi scheme and so stupid that you can be sucked in by the community organizer types to sleep in a street.
No worries . . . winter is coming. |
MOD EDIT
People from all walks of life, republicans/tea partyiers included, are protesting together. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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The issue is simple: These people want to cancel their student debt after choosing the wrong majors. And they want me to pay for it.
When you can't handle reality, when your life sucks and you are the cause of the failure, when you are too lazy/entitled to work at Taco Bell in Nacogdoches, too dumb to understand socialism is a ponzi scheme and so stupid that you can be sucked in by the community organizer types to sleep in a street.
No worries . . . winter is coming. |
haha, you are paying for defaulted student loans with your taxes either way (assuming you live in the US).
let's not do victim blaming here, the issue isn't that kids are stupid. The fact that any dummy can get a federally backed loan to go to college from the banks is what has caused all this to begin with. The way things are going the entire system will have to collapse before there is any type of reform. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| The fact that any dummy can get a federally backed loan to go to college from the banks is what has caused all this to begin with. |
That's certainly part of it. Though the fact that inflation results in a conveyor belt of wealth from the bottom to the top is a bigger part, imo. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
| The fact that any dummy can get a federally backed loan to go to college from the banks is what has caused all this to begin with. |
That's certainly part of it. Though the fact that inflation results in a conveyor belt of wealth from the bottom to the top is a bigger part, imo. |
At the heart of the issue is crony capitalism. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimbop wrote: |
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Because I guarantee you Kimbop, when he was swallowing GOP agitprop kool-aid, never asked the Tea Party protestors to "study and get a job."
Yes, these protests will be at least as meaningful as the Tea Party protests, and perhaps more if police continue to mace non-violent protestors. |
Tea Partyers already have jobs, thus the "stop spending" "lower my taxes" mantra. They did not shut down a bridge, or stop traffic, or demand entry onto private property, or get arrested by the hundreds. But we're not discussing Tea Partyers, we're discussing young, entitled, left-wing hippies. So let's stay on topic.
The issue is simple: These people want to cancel their student debt after choosing the wrong majors. And they want me to pay for it.
When you can't handle reality, when your life sucks and you are the cause of the failure, when you are too lazy/entitled to work at Taco Bell in Nacogdoches, too dumb to understand socialism is a ponzi scheme and so stupid that you can be sucked in by the community organizer types to sleep in a street.
No worries . . . winter is coming. |
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Let Kimbop characterize those who oppose OccupyWallStreet, since he is so keen on mass characterizing OccupyWallStreet.
Kimbop, I am happy to play your game. You will only alienate others towards the OccupyWallStreet cause, I'm sure. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Cain went on to blame the unemployed for their woes, saying, �if you don�t have a job and you�re not rich, blame yourself!�:
CAIN: I don�t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration. Don�t blame Wall Street, don�t blame the big banks, if you don�t have a job and you�re not rich, blame yourself! [...] It is not someone�s fault if they succeeded, it is someone�s fault if they failed.
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Mr. Kalgukshi
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Location: Here or on the International Job Forums
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I find the protests quite interesting.. and am curious - why isn't the Tea Party getting into them? It would seem that anti-bank bailouts would be right up their alley. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I find the protests quite interesting.. and am curious - why isn't the Tea Party getting into them? It would seem that anti-bank bailouts would be right up their alley. |
......because the protests are also against corporate greed. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I find the protests quite interesting.. and am curious - why isn't the Tea Party getting into them? It would seem that anti-bank bailouts would be right up their alley. |
......because the protests are also against corporate greed. |
Wrong.
As Matt Taibbi has echoed, many of the Ron Paul types DO sympathize with the occupy Wall Street movement. But mainline late-comer Tea Party activists, i.e. the Baby Boomer anti-taxation pro-entitlement movement, do oppose occupy Wall Street.
There is a split between the proto-Tea Party (pro-occupywallstreet) and the mature-Tea Party (pro-"wealth creators"). |
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