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god of English
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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 Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If you were buying a car you wouldn't admire features being omitted, would you? |
If 80 or 90 percent of the population won't notice these features, I would. Limiting features takes leadership, foresight, and a bit of guts. It's the guys who are playing catchup who can't take these risks. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand that some people want a user friendly and low-spec setup, but what I really don't get is why people like yourself, who are obviously smart enough to see through Apple's schemes, would buy into it. |
Apple has better Apps than Adroid. That was true 2 years ago when I bought my 3GS, and its still true today. Smartphones are only as good as their Apps.
Like my earlier post, what is the real difference between the Galaxy S2 and the Iphone 4S?
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/appleiphone/iphone4s/iphone4sfeatures/1079407/apple_iphone_4s_vs_samsung_galaxy_s2.html
There's no difference. They are so close spec-wise, that the hardware is moot.
Answer me this, what about Android is so awesome that I need to switch over from Iphone? Give me 1 killer feature or App that Apple doesn't have that people absolutely need. |
I think having Flash on your phone is pretty good. Also, being able to expand the storage capacity cheaply and easily is great. Integration with Google apps is pretty useful too. The main thing I like about Android is the freedom you have that Apple users don't have. As for the apps, both platforms have a range of mostly useless or novelty programs. The really useful ones seem to exist on either platform. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| I understand that some people want a user friendly and low-spec setup, but what I really don't get is why people like yourself, who are obviously smart enough to see through Apple's schemes, would buy into it. |
Apple has better Apps than Adroid. That was true 2 years ago when I bought my 3GS, and its still true today. Smartphones are only as good as their Apps.
Like my earlier post, what is the real difference between the Galaxy S2 and the Iphone 4S?
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/appleiphone/iphone4s/iphone4sfeatures/1079407/apple_iphone_4s_vs_samsung_galaxy_s2.html
There's no difference. They are so close spec-wise, that the hardware is moot.
Answer me this, what about Android is so awesome that I need to switch over from Iphone? Give me 1 killer feature or App that Apple doesn't have that people absolutely need. |
Is anyone in a position to say which side has better apps? That would have to be someone using both an iPhone and an Android phone on a daily basis, who downloads and uses lots of different free and paid apps to both phones and objectively compares them over a period of usage.
Who does that? Even smartphone website tech writers don't really do anything like that. Not that I've come across.
This idea that the apps for the iPhone are better can't really be substantiated. It's just a commonly thrown around opinion.
Also, I'd say the hardware spec is quite different. A 3.5'' screen is quite a bit smaller than a 4.5'' screen. If you like the 3.5'' iPhone screen and don't feel you need a 4.5'' screen, then good. But it is quite a different thing.
As is the removable battery issue. I think it's better to throw my spare battery in my bag and know that my Galaxy S will easily last all day and night no matter how I use it. That's different from an iPhone experience.
LTE...........Siri is not the next big thing for smartphones!
LTE is. That's a big, big spec difference right there......
Add other spec differences like SD capability. Flash compatible. Drag and drop audio/video ability......
The GS2 LTE and the 4S are quite different spec-wise.....plus the GS2 came out months and months ago....Apple really do not look like the cutting edge smartphone manufacturer that they were in 2007. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
I think having Flash on your phone is pretty good. Also, being able to expand the storage capacity cheaply and easily is great. Integration with Google apps is pretty useful too. The main thing I like about Android is the freedom you have that Apple users don't have. As for the apps, both platforms have a range of mostly useless or novelty programs. The really useful ones seem to exist on either platform. |
There are Browser Apps out there that allow Flash on Iphone. Doesn't work perfectly, but neither does the mobile flash for Android devices.
As for freedom, what does that mean? Android gives you freedom to do what? Change your icons? Make a new skin for your UI? Thats not a deal breaker for me.
You haven't said a single thing that differentiates Apple from Android. Using your car analogy, its like arguing which car is better, the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry. Its the same freaking car. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
I think having Flash on your phone is pretty good. Also, being able to expand the storage capacity cheaply and easily is great. Integration with Google apps is pretty useful too. The main thing I like about Android is the freedom you have that Apple users don't have. As for the apps, both platforms have a range of mostly useless or novelty programs. The really useful ones seem to exist on either platform. |
There are Browser Apps out there that allow Flash on Iphone. Doesn't work perfectly, but neither does the mobile flash for Android devices.
As for freedom, what does that mean? Android gives you freedom to do what? Change your icons? Make a new skin for your UI? Thats not a deal breaker for me.
You haven't said a single thing that differentiates Apple from Android. Using your car analogy, its like arguing which car is better, the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry. Its the same freaking car. |
The SD card slot and removable battery are pretty useful. The cost difference between a 16gb iphone and a 32gb is insane. |
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nstick13
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I do everything in my power not to use Flash on my computer, and can't imagine wanting it on my phone.
The removable storage and battery would be nice, I can't disagree. But it's not enough to make me switch.
What Google services don't integrate with the native iPhone apps? |
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wishfullthinkng
Joined: 05 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| I understand that some people want a user friendly and low-spec setup, but what I really don't get is why people like yourself, who are obviously smart enough to see through Apple's schemes, would buy into it. |
schemes? hardly. i appreciate an intelligent business plan and good design and would rather pay a premium for a well thought out environment. that's why i use a macbook pro.
and before you think i'm an apple fanboy you should probably know that i've used windows since the days of dos and still use it every day at work. i'm very well versed in both osx and windows and osx is just much more enjoyable to use (imo) and far more stable.
i also was probably one of the first thousand regular consumers to have an iphone1 and i now use a galaxy s II by choice and have no plans on going back to an iphone if that tells you anything.
instead of hating on windows or mac i do my homework and choose which one is the best. why anyone would moan and complain about either without extensively owning and using them is beyond me. |
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ssulja
Joined: 01 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think having Flash on your phone is pretty good. Also, being able to expand the storage capacity cheaply and easily is great. Integration with Google apps is pretty useful too. The main thing I like about Android is the freedom you have that Apple users don't have. As for the apps, both platforms have a range of mostly useless or novelty programs. The really useful ones seem to exist on either platform. |
There are Browser Apps out there that allow Flash on Iphone. Doesn't work perfectly, but neither does the mobile flash for Android devices.
As for freedom, what does that mean? Android gives you freedom to do what? Change your icons? Make a new skin for your UI? Thats not a deal breaker for me.
You haven't said a single thing that differentiates Apple from Android. Using your car analogy, its like arguing which car is better, the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry. Its the same freaking car. |
The SD card slot and removable battery are pretty useful. The cost difference between a 16gb iphone and a 32gb is insane. |
Except it's not really insane. It's a 100$ difference. And keep in mind, you're using this phone for at least 2 years. So it's basically over a span of that time.
What's that good about a removable SD card slot? Are you trying to fill up 32 gigs? If you are, then doesn't the Media Check or whatever the crap Android does when it starts up annoy the hell out of you?
And yes, having removable battery is useful. However the iPhone battery is by far better than anything else on the market. Why need an extra battery when one can last me the entire day? |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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There's a reason why Apple is the most valuable company in the world. They are businessmen.
They'll launch iPhone 5 when they need to have it compete against a killer Samsung product. For now the iPhone 4S will be fine against the Galaxy II variants. When the Galaxy III is released next year we'll see the iPhone 5 (which is probably already finished) |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ssulja wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
I think having Flash on your phone is pretty good. Also, being able to expand the storage capacity cheaply and easily is great. Integration with Google apps is pretty useful too. The main thing I like about Android is the freedom you have that Apple users don't have. As for the apps, both platforms have a range of mostly useless or novelty programs. The really useful ones seem to exist on either platform. |
There are Browser Apps out there that allow Flash on Iphone. Doesn't work perfectly, but neither does the mobile flash for Android devices.
As for freedom, what does that mean? Android gives you freedom to do what? Change your icons? Make a new skin for your UI? Thats not a deal breaker for me.
You haven't said a single thing that differentiates Apple from Android. Using your car analogy, its like arguing which car is better, the Honda Accord or the Toyota Camry. Its the same freaking car. |
The SD card slot and removable battery are pretty useful. The cost difference between a 16gb iphone and a 32gb is insane. |
Except it's not really insane. It's a 100$ difference. And keep in mind, you're using this phone for at least 2 years. So it's basically over a span of that time.
What's that good about a removable SD card slot? Are you trying to fill up 32 gigs? If you are, then doesn't the Media Check or whatever the crap Android does when it starts up annoy the hell out of you?
And yes, having removable battery is useful. However the iPhone battery is by far better than anything else on the market. Why need an extra battery when one can last me the entire day? |
The current market value for 16GB of memory is about $40. Not $100......but of course, anyone who ever upgraded the memory on their Macbook until a couple of years ago will be used to Apple's bizarre memory pricing.........
...what does using the phone over two years have to do with the price of the memory?  Would you buy a car for double its market price and think, 'oh well, at least I can use it for a long time'??
The SD card and battery issues are about flexibility. Power users can have the option with Android phones to have more and different files stored on SD cards and a spare battery when it's needed. My sister-in-law's iPhone battery is always running down because her kids are always playing games on it. I'm sure she'd like to pop a spare battery in there, but she can't.
In saying that, what the iPhone does, even with its limitations, does suit what a lot of people want from a phone.
But it doesn't do what everyone wants. That's why Android phones are rapidly gaining market share on the iPhone.
Apple always have declined to play the 'spec-wars' game in favor of the marketing strategies which have served them so well. This was one of the genius realizations by Steve Jobs. Marketing can make a product more desirable to more people than a long (and expensive) list of spec features.
That's why I've never bought a single Apple product. Because I buy on the spec/price ratio. Tech just represents tools to me. |
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six
Joined: 01 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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".what does using the phone over two years have to do with the price of the memory? Would you buy a car for double its market price and think, 'oh well, at least I can use it for a long time'??"
YES 100% definitely if the choice is between having to buy a car that needs to have its battery replaced often/other maintenance analogies vs one that does everything I want it to do w/o maintenance for the duration of its lifespan.
I'm with wishfull on this, buy whatever is right at the time and stop complaining about things that don't matter. If Apple lacks the specs you want, that's all there is to it -- they won't satisfy you. I'll buy a GS2 today and want an iPhone 6 in 2 years, who cares.
edit: forgot a couple words. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
That's why I've never bought a single Apple product. Because I buy on the spec/price ratio. Tech just represents tools to me. |
I'm the same way, but when I look at the Iphone 4S, and the Galaxy S2, I see the same phone.
If you want to talk about specs, the camera on the Iphone 4S is suppose to be amazing, and better than anything, any Android phone has to offer. For people who take a lot of pictures with their phone, taht is a MAJOR sell. |
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god of English
Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Specs are overrated. It's all about user experience.
Who cares if your phone is two seconds faster, if the touchscreen ui is so clunky you want to smash it against the wall? |
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Drew10
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
That's why I've never bought a single Apple product. Because I buy on the spec/price ratio. Tech just represents tools to me. |
I'm the same way, but when I look at the Iphone 4S, and the Galaxy S2, I see the same phone.
If you want to talk about specs, the camera on the Iphone 4S is suppose to be amazing, and better than anything, any Android phone has to offer. For people who take a lot of pictures with their phone, taht is a MAJOR sell. |
It's an 8MP camera, many Android models already have 8MP cameras.
I fail to see how that makes the iPhone 4S camera any better than the camera on a GS2. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:40 am Post subject: |
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| god of English wrote: |
Specs are overrated. It's all about user experience.
Who cares if your phone is two seconds faster, if the touchscreen ui is so clunky you want to smash it against the wall? |
My Galaxy S isn't clunky. I've customized it to suit my own needs perfectly. As for the UI, the desktop widgets are really useful, providing a good user experience. When I use my wife's Iphone, it just feels very dated and bland. |
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