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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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 Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:46 am Post subject: |
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He was far away enough to be inconspicuous among the jumble of buildings. I could tell without a doubt he was Korean. My room-mate at my first uni job here was gay. When I told him this story, and my surprise, he told me it wasn't unheard of for gay Korean men to sunbathe if they have pale skin.
Of course you don''t want to believe this and I'm quite fine with that.
Did you miss the link I posted earlier?
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/117_95969.html
Another related example. Yet another Korean pop star has again been prosecuted with having consumed illegal drugs while he was abroad. He wasn't caught smoking in Korea, but he was ratted on for smoking in Japan, and he was tested and prosecuted. This isn't the first example of such a thing happening either.
Yet, a couple years ago, I personally knew of an instance where a foreign business owner here in Daegu was caught in country with pot. He never even saw a judge, let alone a jail cell. He's still here. Lots of people in the city know who he is. |
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PastorYoon
Joined: 25 Jun 2010
Location: Sea of Japan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| I want to believe the truth. I can take your word for it about speedoman. It's not that I "didn't want to" believe you, I more just plain didn't believe you. I see the link and believe the story about the K-Pop singers. However, I think they're crazy if they think censorship is the main thing that is going to keep them from "global" (there's that word again) fame. That's a different topic altogether, though. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I stated my reasoning for being - as PatrickGHBusan put it - "bitter" toward Koreans. My reasoning is that I have faced racism and discrimination from the people in this country on a nearly daily basis. And these are the times when I notice it.
I said nothing about the cop in the OP's story being racist. |
And have you ever gotten any special treatment because you were foreign?
We've all experienced bigotry here.
We've also all experienced people bending over backwards for us for no other reason than we are foreign.
It can't be all negative.
Then again, something about your rants suggests that the people here could give you a free car and you'd whine because it came in typical Korean silver or black. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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I stated my reasoning for being - as PatrickGHBusan put it - "bitter" toward Koreans. My reasoning is that I have faced racism and discrimination from the people in this country on a nearly daily basis. And these are the times when I notice it.
I said nothing about the cop in the OP's story being racist. |
And have you ever gotten any special treatment because you were foreign?
We've all experienced bigotry here.
We've also all experienced people bending over backwards for us for no other reason than we are foreign.
It can't be all negative.
Then again, something about your rants suggests that the people here could give you a free car and you'd whine because it came in typical Korean silver or black. |
We can have some emphasize that Koreans all work for the dark side of the force and are in league with emperor and Darth Vader because of a minority of troubling elements. The reality is most Koreans are good and fine. Many of them also go out of their way to show foreigners hospitality and help a foreigner who is lost. We can't expect everyone to be nice to us. Are all Canadians and North Americans nice to Asians? No. You'll have some call Asians slant eyes, or the man from Chiner (China).
Anyway, Korea is so much better foreigners in 2011 compared to 2006 where it was so commonplace to not have non-prepaid phone service, no access to cards that we could use overseas, less services for foreigners. We can call up certain numbers to get information. In Gwangju, they have an international center for foreigners. There are clearly things I don't like about some things in Korea, but there are clearly things that I do like. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| PastorYoon wrote: |
I stated my reasoning for being - as PatrickGHBusan put it - "bitter" toward Koreans. My reasoning is that I have faced racism and discrimination from the people in this country on a nearly daily basis. And these are the times when I notice it.
I said nothing about the cop in the OP's story being racist. |
And have you ever gotten any special treatment because you were foreign?
We've all experienced bigotry here.
We've also all experienced people bending over backwards for us for no other reason than we are foreign.
It can't be all negative.
Then again, something about your rants suggests that the people here could give you a free car and you'd whine because it came in typical Korean silver or black. |
We can have some emphasize that Koreans all work for the dark side of the force and are in league with emperor and Darth Vader because of a minority of troubling elements. The reality is most Koreans are good and fine. Many of them also go out of their way to show foreigners hospitality and help a foreigner who is lost. We can't expect everyone to be nice to us. Are all Canadians and North Americans nice to Asians? No. You'll have some call Asians slant eyes, or the man from Chiner (China).
Anyway, Korea is so much better foreigners in 2011 compared to 2006 where it was so commonplace to not have non-prepaid phone service, no access to cards that we could use overseas, less services for foreigners. We can call up certain numbers to get information. In Gwangju, they have an international center for foreigners. There are clearly things I don't like about some things in Korea, but there are clearly things that I do like. More Koreans are open to interracial marriages. Yes, there is clearly some resistance, but don't tell me you won't find that in parts of Tennessee, Alberta etc..... |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| PastorYoon wrote: |
I stated my reasoning for being - as PatrickGHBusan put it - "bitter" toward Koreans. My reasoning is that I have faced racism and discrimination from the people in this country on a nearly daily basis. And these are the times when I notice it.
I said nothing about the cop in the OP's story being racist. |
And have you ever gotten any special treatment because you were foreign?
We've all experienced bigotry here.
We've also all experienced people bending over backwards for us for no other reason than we are foreign.
It can't be all negative.
Then again, something about your rants suggests that the people here could give you a free car and you'd whine because it came in typical Korean silver or black. |
We can have some emphasize that Koreans all work for the dark side of the force and are in league with emperor and Darth Vader because of a minority of troubling elements. The reality is most Koreans are good and fine. Many of them also go out of their way to show foreigners hospitality and help a foreigner who is lost. We can't expect everyone to be nice to us. Are all Canadians and North Americans nice to Asians? No. You'll have some call Asians slant eyes, or the man from Chiner (China).
Anyway, Korea is so much better foreigners in 2011 compared to 2006 where it was so commonplace to not have non-prepaid phone service, no access to cards that we could use overseas, less services for foreigners. We can call up certain numbers to get information. In Gwangju, they have an international center for foreigners. There are clearly things I don't like about some things in Korea, but there are clearly things that I do like. More Koreans are open to interracial marriages. Yes, there is clearly some resistance, but don't tell me you won't find that in parts of Tennessee, Alberta etc..... |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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well worth repeating.  |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Keep in mind the [Violating the TOS by swearing and blaming Koreans for his racist thoughts] people in this country made me bitter. I didn't just create it on a whim. I am a fan of his posts. I don't run without a shirt here, but I think it's great how he tells these people off. I enjoy hearing about it. These people's discriminatory behavior needs opposition - not apologetics. I don't care if it's a losing, uphill battle, either.
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Blaming Koreans or any nationality for one's racism means not taking responsibility for your own thoughts. I am sorry if the user suffered in anyway, but we have our rules. Is he going to blame Koreans for his inability to follow the TOS and swearing, too? We don't like having to do this to adults.
The Mod Team
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: |
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This is perhaps the only country in the world where men are expected to wear more clothing than females, which works out okay since I often get to see up skirts during subway transfers while climbing stairs, seeing upskirts on the up escalator while riding the down one at department stores, and plenty of Daisy Duke cheek peeks.
When I wear casual button-up shirts, I usually leave the top button unfastened. A couple of young Korean ladies recently told me that it's considered inappropriate for men to show their chest. I wouldn't have found the comment odd if it hadn't been for the fact that one of their shirts was very low cut, showing much more chest than my shirt did. |
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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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OK one more for the idiot.
There is no law where I am in Korea about not wearing a shirt. I was told to put it on most likely because Koreans find this activity offensive. But to be global one must accept the cultures of other nations....look up the word globalism if you want. |
See... this is exactly the attitude that I am talking about.
This is cultural imperialism not globalism.
When you travel to another country you need to understand that many of the things you enjoyed doing back home, or were considered norms back home, are no longer considered norms! You have a choice... be a social pariah by rejecting all of the host countries norms... or be patient and accept that as a guest you can't live exactly as you did before...
Don't like it? Leave. That is really your only option. Even if by some absolute standard "not wearing a shirt" is moral... Korea isn't going to start accepting it any time soon. So, make a choice. Either you adapt, or you continue to have Koreans look at you in disgust.
I think its funny that you picked "not wearing a shirt" to be where you drew the line...
"Okay, this is the last straw" right? 
There are way more important things to fight for in Korea...Things that I wouldn't have any problem with you being upset about.
Why are you here? |
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jamesd
Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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You're missing the op's point by twisting it.
Most of us are not travelling through Korea. We're working and living here as residents. Police officers, who suppose to enforce the law, has no business telling/ordering the op to do something that's not the law.
Let's say that the op didn't know the law and ended up following the made up law that those police officers told him. Then I would think those police officer will continue enforcing the made up lawS to other foreigners thinking that we are so naive.
I think the op did the right thing by going to the police station to get the low down on the actual law. |
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sublunari
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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I wear a scraggly beard and occasionally show off a bit of chest hair because I like to do so, for one, and also because I'm interested in being different, in showing off how alien I am, and---this is going to sound absurd---in embracing my whiteness. Not in a white supremacist way, but in a "I am not you" way.
I appreciate a lot of things in Korea, but I doubt I'm alone here in saying that I'm not interested in becoming a Korean. I'm not going to dye my hair black, I'm not going to shave every morning, I'm not going to work thirty hours a day and let my employer steal half my salary, I'm not going to pretend to enjoy the horrible music and TV shows this country churns out, and I'm not going to conform.
At the same time, I will speak the language. I'll show a proper level of respect to my elders (unless they're stealing from me), even if they don't deserve it from the perspective of my own culture. I'll enjoy the food as well as the company of Koreans. I will learn the history and see the country. But I will not conform, because although no culture is superior to another, I was born into a Western culture, and that's just more comfortable for me.
At the same time, I don't plan to run around without my shirt on, because that's stupid pretty much anywhere. Still, it's not illegal here, so whatever, if jiggling and sweating in front of a bunch of ajummas floats your boat, then by all means, continue floating. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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You're missing the op's point by twisting it.
Most of us are not travelling through Korea. We're working and living here as residents. Police officers, who suppose to enforce the law, has no business telling/ordering the op to do something that's not the law.
Let's say that the op didn't know the law and ended up following the made up law that those police officers told him. Then I would think those police officer will continue enforcing the made up lawS to other foreigners thinking that we are so naive.
I think the op did the right thing by going to the police station to get the low down on the actual law. |
No, you missed the point. It's so simple, but people would rather bring in their western values of 'law' trumps all.
The police, in addition to enforcing the law, also keep the public peace. Being shirtless in public gathering places offends the public. The police have every right to make that offence known, and YOU have every right to ignore it.
That's how simple it is.
As someone already suggested, if you were with friends, extensively using obscene language around families in a park back home, and the cops overheard you, they would probably tell you to stop it. Not in every case, but guaranteed in some. What would you do then?
Case in pont.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pdXV_yVuPo |
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JeffersonDarcy2010
Joined: 05 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind the asshole racist people in this country made me bitter against Koreans. I didn't just create it on a whim. I am a fan of his posts. I don't run without a shirt here, but I think it's great how he tells these people off. I enjoy hearing about it. These people's discriminatory behavior needs opposition - not apologetics. I don't care if it's a losing, uphill battle, either.
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Pastoryoon said "the a-hole racist people in this country". Not all people fit into this category, do they? If you're not an "a-hole racist, then it shouldn't apply to you. I don't think he violated the TOS. Way to desperately protect Korea, though! |
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rabidcake
Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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TUM,
Well since you posted that....
I was in the Philippines recently and a Korean Navy Seal challenged me to a swim race.
With my Korean female university students watching there was no way I was going to lose.
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Mr. War,
I have been jogging since I was 13 years old. I am 41 now. This is not a new thing that I am doing. Get real. |
With the way the OP writes I thought he would be in his early 20's. You'd think a man at the age of 40 would be a bit more rational and wise, and understand that avoiding unecessary conflicts make the most sense.
Sadly, the OP is too god damn sexy for his shirt to understand this. |
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