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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:15 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Leon, not at all making fun of people for being English teachers in Korea, just pointing out the irony of people considering themselves socialist/Marxist and then moving to the Samsung Republic and making someone else rich. And I can see from your comment you haven't become a parent yet. Meanwhile, you could say I was comparing myself to a loser because the topic of this thread was a loser.

"it's like you are a weird super jew/amish hybrid."
thanks?

"all your rants read as if you yourself, perhaps in your twenties (since you seem to have an obsession about 20-somethings loving marx), were really into marxist ideas. but then one day someone pimp slapped you with anti-marxist knowledge. you now project your former ignorance onto younger people to cope with your insecurity.

or you're just a weird dude. "
I'm just a weird dude. And thanks for letting me know that I need to get a life because I've devoted about half an hour of my life over the last week to this thread.
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone in this thread said they are a Marxist? Believing that Marx is a philosopher worth reading is not the same as believing in Marxism.
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Leon



Joined: 31 May 2010

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:57 am    Post subject: Re: reply Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:
Leon, not at all making fun of people for being English teachers in Korea, just pointing out the irony of people considering themselves socialist/Marxist and then moving to the Samsung Republic and making someone else rich. And I can see from your comment you haven't become a parent yet. Meanwhile, you could say I was comparing myself to a loser because the topic of this thread was a loser.

"it's like you are a weird super jew/amish hybrid."
thanks?

"all your rants read as if you yourself, perhaps in your twenties (since you seem to have an obsession about 20-somethings loving marx), were really into marxist ideas. but then one day someone pimp slapped you with anti-marxist knowledge. you now project your former ignorance onto younger people to cope with your insecurity.

or you're just a weird dude. "
I'm just a weird dude. And thanks for letting me know that I need to get a life because I've devoted about half an hour of my life over the last week to this thread.


Being a parent is one of the most personally significant things in the world. Claiming parenthood as a major achievement is banal in the fact that is it overwhelmingly common. Anyways castigating a philosopher for personal defects is banal. Who cares that Einstein cheated on his wives many times or married his cousin. Are you going to try to tell me you achieved more than Einstein because you are good father? Honestly who cares about what Marx did in his life, the man is long dead. His work is all that's left.
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think being a "Marxist" (how about just socialist) wage-slave in the Samsung Republic is less ironic than all the Ayn Rand devotees working the same job, but that's just me. Very few working people in this world are not "making someone else rich" (or, in other words, employed by someone)
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:41 am    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

"Being a parent is one of the most personally significant things in the world. Claiming parenthood as a major achievement is banal in the fact that is it overwhelmingly common."
-It's increasingly less common but you're right. My point was any man wo holds a steady job and provides for his family has accmplised more tha Marx.
"Anyways castigating a philosopher for personal defects is banal."
-Thats your opinion, just as mine is it' stupid to make a hero of someone with so many.
"Who cares that Einstein cheated on his wives many times or married his cousin. Are you going to try to tell me you achieved more than Einstein because you are good father?"
-Of course not, nor I think people should mak ahero of him.
"Honestly who cares about what Marx did in his life, the man is long dead. His work is all that's left. "
-great!
"I think being a "Marxist" (how about just socialist) wage-slave in the Samsung Republic is less ironic than all the Ayn Rand devotees working the same job, but that's just me."
-If you say, not really interested in her, didn't like The Virtue of Selfishnes.
"Very few working people in this world are not "making someone else rich" (or, in other words, employed by someone)"
-That's true, sincere commies/Marxists/socialists are very elusive.
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Munniko



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean that we can start a thread on how Disney and Ford sucked because they hated certain groups of people?


Also calling someone a loser and saying you've done so much better than them because your family isn't as dysfunctional as their was....well it is apples and oranges because you aren't living in the same situation as they are. Maybe write a book that makes history and influences some powerful, albeit horrible, people and than we can start saying you were so much better.
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travel zen



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karl Marx an anti-Semite? Probably.

We forget how things are like in the recent past. In Europe, the culture was a hatred of the Jews (along with just about every other culture on the planet), blaming them for every problem, systemic an government approved. We forget this ???

Ideas that the Nazis had in that era didn't come out of the air.
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northway



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

travel zen wrote:
Karl Marx an anti-Semite? Probably.

We forget how things are like in the recent past. In Europe, the culture was a hatred of the Jews (along with just about every other culture on the planet), blaming them for every problem, systemic an government approved. We forget this ???

Ideas that the Nazis had in that era didn't come out of the air.


You seem to have missed the fact that Marx himself was Jewish.
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Dude Love



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Does this mean that we can start a thread on how Disney and Ford sucked because they hated certain groups of people?"
-Sure, it's a free world.

"Also calling someone a loser and saying you've done so much better than them because your family isn't as dysfunctional as their was....well it is apples and oranges because you aren't living in the same situation as they are."
-Any man who isn't an anti-Semite and who doesn't let his kids starve, squander an inheritance and cheat in his wife is a better man than Marx.

"We forget how things are like in the recent past. In Europe, the culture was a hatred of the Jews (along with just about every other culture on the planet), blaming them for every problem, systemic an government approved. We forget this ???"
-Some people aren't products of their time and rise above it.

"You seem to have missed the fact that Marx himself was Jewish."
-He had Jewish roots, his family converted to Lutheranism and he was an anti-theist.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
Has anyone in this thread said they are a Marxist? Believing that Marx is a philosopher worth reading is not the same as believing in Marxism.


I did a great books curriculum for my undergrad. Marx was the worst "philosopher" we read, IMO. Several of our professors admitted he was only on the program because of his influence.

And Marx's influence on academia is immense.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
northway wrote:
Has anyone in this thread said they are a Marxist? Believing that Marx is a philosopher worth reading is not the same as believing in Marxism.


I did a great books curriculum for my undergrad. Marx was the worst "philosopher" we read, IMO. Several of our professors admitted he was only on the program because of his influence.

And Marx's influence on academia is immense.


I think that a lot of Marx's writting is brillant. I agree with a lot of his historical analysis, and lots of his ideas about economic determinism. I even agree with lots of his critiques about capitalism. I mean some of it is hard to argue with.

" Marx stressed that capitalism was unstable, and prone to periodic crises.[3] He suggested that over time, capitalists would invest more and more in new technologies, and less and less in labour.[2] Since Marx believed that surplus value appropriated from labour is the source of profits, he concluded that the rate of profit would fall even as the economy grew.[101] Marx believed that increasingly severe crises would punctuate this cycle of growth, collapse, and more growth.[101] Moreover, he believed that in the long-term this process would necessarily enrich and empower the capitalist class and impoverish the proletariat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

I don't agree with his call for the revolution of the proletariat or his ideas about communism, but even with out agreeing with his solutions his ideas about the problems make him very worth while.
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Munniko



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude Love wrote:


"Also calling someone a loser and saying you've done so much better than them because your family isn't as dysfunctional as their was....well it is apples and oranges because you aren't living in the same situation as they are."
-Any man who isn't an anti-Semite and who doesn't let his kids starve, squander an inheritance and cheat in his wife is a better man than Marx.


So in that theory I could kidnap a woman force her to be my wife as long as I don't cheat on her, let my kids starve, and squander an inheritance....also for clarification I am a girl.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leon wrote:
Kuros wrote:
northway wrote:
Has anyone in this thread said they are a Marxist? Believing that Marx is a philosopher worth reading is not the same as believing in Marxism.


I did a great books curriculum for my undergrad. Marx was the worst "philosopher" we read, IMO. Several of our professors admitted he was only on the program because of his influence.

And Marx's influence on academia is immense.


I think that a lot of Marx's writting is brillant. I agree with a lot of his historical analysis, and lots of his ideas about economic determinism. I even agree with lots of his critiques about capitalism. I mean some of it is hard to argue with.

" Marx stressed that capitalism was unstable, and prone to periodic crises.[3] He suggested that over time, capitalists would invest more and more in new technologies, and less and less in labour.[2] Since Marx believed that surplus value appropriated from labour is the source of profits, he concluded that the rate of profit would fall even as the economy grew.[101] Marx believed that increasingly severe crises would punctuate this cycle of growth, collapse, and more growth.[101] Moreover, he believed that in the long-term this process would necessarily enrich and empower the capitalist class and impoverish the proletariat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

I don't agree with his call for the revolution of the proletariat or his ideas about communism, but even with out agreeing with his solutions his ideas about the problems make him very worth while.


Marx is pretty awful. He admits he wanted to turn Hegel on his head, and invert the dialectic of ideals into dialectical materialism. After reading Hegel, this made little sense to me.

His objective theory of labor value has long been refuted.

But most disgusting by far are his calls for the revolution of the proletariat, he even lists rich people that he wants the revolutionaries to kill.
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Leon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Leon wrote:
Kuros wrote:
northway wrote:
Has anyone in this thread said they are a Marxist? Believing that Marx is a philosopher worth reading is not the same as believing in Marxism.


I did a great books curriculum for my undergrad. Marx was the worst "philosopher" we read, IMO. Several of our professors admitted he was only on the program because of his influence.

And Marx's influence on academia is immense.


I think that a lot of Marx's writting is brillant. I agree with a lot of his historical analysis, and lots of his ideas about economic determinism. I even agree with lots of his critiques about capitalism. I mean some of it is hard to argue with.

" Marx stressed that capitalism was unstable, and prone to periodic crises.[3] He suggested that over time, capitalists would invest more and more in new technologies, and less and less in labour.[2] Since Marx believed that surplus value appropriated from labour is the source of profits, he concluded that the rate of profit would fall even as the economy grew.[101] Marx believed that increasingly severe crises would punctuate this cycle of growth, collapse, and more growth.[101] Moreover, he believed that in the long-term this process would necessarily enrich and empower the capitalist class and impoverish the proletariat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

I don't agree with his call for the revolution of the proletariat or his ideas about communism, but even with out agreeing with his solutions his ideas about the problems make him very worth while.


Marx is pretty awful. He admits he wanted to turn Hegel on his head, and invert the dialectic of ideals into dialectical materialism. After reading Hegel, this made little sense to me.

His objective theory of labor value has long been refuted.

But most disgusting by far are his calls for the revolution of the proletariat, he even lists rich people that he wants the revolutionaries to kill.


I still think that he is interesting from a historical stand point and worth reading. I, as far as I can tell from what you've written, agree with your view of the revolution of the proletariat.
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travel zen



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You seem to have missed the fact that Marx himself was Jewish


Yes I know. Even Jewish people would say anti-Semitic things at that time, especially in Germany and Russia.
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