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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:08 pm    Post subject: Am i required to stay at school for lunch? Reply with quote

Am i required to stay at school for my lunch break? Standard epik contract. nothing in there about lunch time. I am required to work a straight 8 hours a day though. So if i leave for an hour lunch does that effect my work hours or does the labor law say that lunch hour counts as a work hour?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Am i required to stay at school for lunch? Reply with quote

plchron wrote:
Am i required to stay at school for my lunch break? Standard epik contract. nothing in there about lunch time. I am required to work a straight 8 hours a day though. So if i leave for an hour lunch does that effect my work hours or does the labor law say that lunch hour counts as a work hour?


Nothing in labor law.

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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title makes it sound like you are worried about getting food outside of school. The post makes it sound like you are worried about your scheduled hours.

Which is it? If lunch, that is between you and the school, and I would personally leave if they didn't allow me to eat lunch however I wanted during my lunch break. If your question has to do more with scheduling, find out how many classes you have to teach, and those are the classes you have to teach. If you eat in the cafeteria or elsewhere, you still have to teach those classes. You don't get to teach 5 less.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your lunch break counts as part of your 8-hour workday. Most schools are relaxed about teachers using that time to eat out or run errands at their own discretion.

However, individual school policies can vary. A few might insist that teachers must first get permission from the vice principal or head teacher to leave. A rarer few will require actually signing out every time you go off the premises, even to cross the street to a convenience store. Some principals are control freaks that way (they'll cite liability issues). If its any consolation, such rules will apply equally to your Korean colleagues.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your lunch hour counts as part of your 8 hour work day as described in your contract. So if you were to leave for lunch you would then be expected to stay until 5:40 or 6:00pm. You will find that if you develop a good relationship with your coworkers and admin staff that they will usually cut you some slack if you need to run to the bank or doctor.

If you don't like the lunch, brown bag it. Most schools have website that post the menu for the week or month. Ask your CT to print it out. If you don't want to inconvenience her translating it and can't do it yourself, ask one of your more fluent students.

Also, don't leave without permission. Many teachers will get docked vacation time for leaving during school hours.
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Ribena



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
Your lunch break counts as part of your 8-hour workday. Most schools are relaxed about teachers using that time to eat out or run errands at their own discretion.

However, individual school policies can vary. A few might insist that teachers must first get permission from the vice principal or head teacher to leave. A rarer few will require actually signing out every time you go off the premises, even to cross the street to a convenience store. Some principals are control freaks that way (they'll cite liability issues). If its any consolation, such rules will apply equally to your Korean colleagues.


Many offices require you to sign out or swip out in the UK, its a fire safety issue. So they aren't searching for your mangled and burnt corpse while you are swanning off at McDonalds/EAT/Pret or the nice that place that does 2 for 1 burritoes on a Monday.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Am i required to stay at school for lunch? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
plchron wrote:
Am i required to stay at school for my lunch break? Standard epik contract. nothing in there about lunch time. I am required to work a straight 8 hours a day though. So if i leave for an hour lunch does that effect my work hours or does the labor law say that lunch hour counts as a work hour?


Nothing in labor law.

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Doesn't labor law say something about a "recess hour." And that may be used anyway the employee wants.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Doesn't labor law say something about a "recess hour."


Yes, it's called the "Twisted Sister" approach.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XOTEzOTE5NjQ=.html


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jamesd



Joined: 15 Aug 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine have befriended a labor board inspector in our town. He showed him his PS labor contract.

He didn't get into the specifics, but he found numerous illegal contract clause which violates the labor law.

One of his biggest concern was the pre-determined penalty clauses which is illegal according to the labor law. This means that employers cannot take away any money or benefits already taken by the employee for any reason (including breaking the contract early for whatever the reason).
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's long been known that the 900,000W "runner" deposit is technically against labor law. Good luck fighting it though.
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jamesd



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
It's long been known that the 900,000W "runner" deposit is technically against labor law. Good luck fighting it though.


700,000 won re-signing bonus payback.
Extra 2 week vacation for re-signing payback.
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Clockout



Joined: 23 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesd wrote:
One of his biggest concern was the pre-determined penalty clauses which is illegal according to the labor law. This means that employers cannot take away any money or benefits already taken by the employee for any reason (including breaking the contract early for whatever the reason).

What do you mean by "take away" and "taken"?
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesd wrote:
jrwhite82 wrote:
It's long been known that the 900,000W "runner" deposit is technically against labor law. Good luck fighting it though.


700,000 won re-signing bonus payback.
Extra 2 week vacation for re-signing payback.


I'm not sure about those being agains labor law or not. But, yeah I could see how the case could be made that it is. But at the same time, the employee knows its conditional upon completing a full year contract. So not sure if that changes things.
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Skipperoo



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Am i required to stay at school for lunch? Reply with quote

plchron wrote:
Am i required to stay at school for my lunch break? Standard epik contract. nothing in there about lunch time. I am required to work a straight 8 hours a day though. So if i leave for an hour lunch does that effect my work hours or does the labor law say that lunch hour counts as a work hour?


Not being funny, but isn't this something you should ask your coworkers/boss?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
Your lunch hour counts as part of your 8 hour work day as described in your contract. So if you were to leave for lunch you would then be expected to stay until 5:40 or 6:00pm. .


Nope...who told you this? I suspect someone may be having some fun at your expense.

I've been at three public schools and never had a problem with leaving for lunch and leaving at 4:30-5:00. Under labor law you are allowed to use that lunch hour as you want. And I've never been docked vacation time for any of that. If that were to happen, then come re-signing time I would politely decline, tell them why and depart. Maybe the next teacher to come there will have an easier time of it then.

Some schools may be control freaks or not know labor law...your business if you want to let them control you like that.


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