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SoylaMBPolymath



Joined: 21 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: The writing may be on the wall... Reply with quote

Today the Director of my hagwon informed me that the "economic crisis" has created a dire situation for our Institute. She claims we have lost 10 students in the last month. She mentioned the economy, but then subtly indicated that she would like me to "try harder" to make our students happy. I do my absolute best to make our students happy! I buy them pizza, pastries, and prizes for games ALL of the time. But still, she appeared to be intimating that I was somehow at fault for the exodus of students of late. Her last Foreign Teacher pulled a runner. I have worked very hard to prove that I am committed to making her successful, but it doesn't appear to be enough.

She has recently opened a new branch of her Institute, so while she claims that money is becoming "an issue" (i.e. I can't afford you any more Foreigner), the hagwons remain open. So this isn't an instance where if I don't have a job it will be because the doors are closing, it simply appears that my Director is not willing to dish out to keep me about. Bear in mind that I live in a less than palatial apartment (she moved me into an older, rattier apartment from my one-room to save herself money, but I had decided to try and make the most of it for the duration of my contract), and I am, at times, not given much in the way of guidance as far what's expected of me. Nevertheless, I have tried to be a good teacher and have even developed relationships with some of these students.

All of that being said, what are my options? It sounds like my Director is getting ready to let me go. I asked her, as politely as I could, to please, PLEASE not wait until the last minute in the event that she should decide she is no longer in need of my services. I begged to be kept duly informed. She merely smiled and said, that she preferred not to "burden" her teachers with such things. In the event that she is indeed looking to excise this NET, I'd like to find another job, if possible. Where should I start? Is it even possible?

Also, I will have been in Korea for six months as of next Monday, the 17th...
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you know what is coming around the corner... and you can guess why the other foreigner left.

Why do you buy children pizza and candies to presumably keep them happy? I suppose you spend your own money- no one else chipping in right? Well, your Director sees you as a pushover to be pushed over whenever she feels the need. You are right- if she were losing money she wouldn't open new hagwons, or she is incompetent. At six months look for other work, without telling her anything.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't made this much money in my 3 years of operation.

I got the same news from other fellow hagwon owners.
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SoylaMBPolymath



Joined: 21 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
Sounds like you know what is coming around the corner... and you can guess why the other foreigner left.

Why do you buy children pizza and candies to presumably keep them happy? I suppose you spend your own money- no one else chipping in right? Well, your Director sees you as a pushover to be pushed over whenever she feels the need. You are right- if she were losing money she wouldn't open new hagwons, or she is incompetent. At six months look for other work, without telling her anything.


Umm, I buy them pizza, candies, and prizes because I like them and unfortunately the way of the world is that most people are more inclined to do things if there are incentives. Are you any different? And I don't mind spending my own money. It's my choice. Many of my students have commented to the other Korean teachers that my kindness has made them have a different opinion of Foreigners, because most of the others would never treat their students. I did these things BEFORE she suggested I work "harder to please the students".

I don't believe she sees me as a pushover. You do. But you are incorrect in that assumption. Some people actually like children. I am one of them.

But thank you for the judgment. I don't know why I thought I'd receive otherwise...Dave's, par for the course.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Korean parents are getting smart, and starting to go with schools owned by people like Jurgen and T-J. Hopefully, the days are numbered for many a crappy schools?
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Jingo besus



Joined: 12 Sep 2011
Location: The Clipperton Suite

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoylaMBPolymath wrote:
Umm, I buy them pizza, candies, and prizes because I like them and unfortunately the way of the world is that most people are more inclined to do things if there are incentives.


You've actually just touched on a cornerstone issue of Economics, how people respond to incentives when given a task to complete. This is completely irrelelvent to the topic so i'm not trying to hijack your thread, but its worth reading up on it because its quite widely considered that incentives actually have the opposite effect over time...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047272705000721

Anyway, back to the topic in hand....
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hossenfeffer



Joined: 07 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in agreement with Jingo besus. There is a lot of research that suggests that students learn more when they are intrinsically motivated. I made the mistake of giving my elementary school kids candy when I started teaching and after a while they expected to be given a piece of candy every time they spoke and they would cop an attitude with me when I wouldn't give them something. I almost never give candy now and I compensate by making my lessons better.
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nikki15



Joined: 02 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThingsComeAround wrote:
Sounds like you know what is coming around the corner... and you can guess why the other foreigner left.

Why do you buy children pizza and candies to presumably keep them happy? I suppose you spend your own money- no one else chipping in right? Well, your Director sees you as a pushover to be pushed over whenever she feels the need. You are right- if she were losing money she wouldn't open new hagwons, or she is incompetent. At six months look for other work, without telling her anything.


You'd be hard pressed to find a teacher from North America who doesn't have some kind of reward system set up for their students. Whether it be sticker charts, candies or little treasure chests with a variety of prizes. It's not to try and keep the kids happy it's to reward them for working hard and being good students. Many teachers from back home put tons of their own money into their classrooms and getting things for their students. And no, it's NOT because they're pushovers, it's because they care about their students.
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koreatimes



Joined: 07 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pizza at the end of the month is one thing, pizza on a Monday (beginning of the week) is another.

It all depends on how you deliver that pizza.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for reward systems, and I do it for my students.

That being said, I didn't come into the system buying pizzas and candies for my students during my first 6 months. That happened after I knew them and they could follow directions to begin with.

What's more, the director is playing head games with you, not me. It was you who came here asking for help weren't you? I told you to start looking for another job- so you can be prepared. Skipped over that tidbit in your reply, I noticed.

Don't be upset that I called you a pushover. I don't know you, nor will we probably ever meet. I've been the nice guy to take on an extra task hoping it would help but it only ended up biting me in the posterior when I needed something. That's how things are here. Toughen up or be ready to work here for free, after you buy your children pizza and candy hoping to get your pay check.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nikki15 wrote:
ThingsComeAround wrote:
Sounds like you know what is coming around the corner... and you can guess why the other foreigner left.

Why do you buy children pizza and candies to presumably keep them happy? I suppose you spend your own money- no one else chipping in right? Well, your Director sees you as a pushover to be pushed over whenever she feels the need. You are right- if she were losing money she wouldn't open new hagwons, or she is incompetent. At six months look for other work, without telling her anything.


You'd be hard pressed to find a teacher from North America who doesn't have some kind of reward system set up for their students. Whether it be sticker charts, candies or little treasure chests with a variety of prizes. It's not to try and keep the kids happy it's to reward them for working hard and being good students. Many teachers from back home put tons of their own money into their classrooms and getting things for their students. And no, it's NOT because they're pushovers, it's because they care about their students.


Not that hard-pressed, actually -- I don't use candy, stickers, or any other "rewards," other than sincere praise in class for actual improvement. I did that in the US, and I do it here. Students know BS praise and "everyone gets a trophy" recognition. It means as little to them as it means to me -- of course, for the praise to work, the students need to respect you, and in order for them to respect you, you need to do a good job....

Pretty much anyone who has some real teaching experience under his/her belt gets rid of the "prize" reward system, as well as the "posted rules" punishment system -- I would estimate it is somewhere in year 5 of real teaching that one gets over that stuff -- some folks earlier, some folks later. Prizes and posted punishments are counterproductive in the long run, and it takes a few years to realize that the long run isn't actually all THAT long -- just a few months. When you start teaching, a few months seems like forever...but as you continue on, you realize how short even a school year is....
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jamasian



Joined: 01 May 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:53 pm    Post subject: Hit First! Reply with quote

I can see where he is coming from. The way you wrote the story seems like you're a pushover. You even took on a dingier apartment.

But! Because you are saying you're not, I agree that you should start job hunting again. Learn some important Korean words like "fire" or "don't need" if she speaks Korean to others around you.

I wouldn't be happy with an answer like, "I don't want to burden you so I won't tell you if I'm firing you." It's also best to just do this secretly. You may want to see if you can contact that last teacher too. That situation doesn't sound good.
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Modernist



Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See what happens when you 'care'? Do they care back? Does it do you any good? No. They will screw you over like nothing, just because. All that effort to love the place, and for naught.
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But thank you for the judgment. I don't know why I thought I'd receive otherwise...Dave's, par for the course.

If it makes you feel any better, I wouldn't judge you for this. I judged you because you CLAIMED to actually like Korean food Surprised

I don't imagine you're a pushover as we typically imagine that word. Rather, I believe you came here with apologist, defender sympathies. Something like, 'I am so lucky to have this opportunity, teaching in Korea will be an amazing experience, it will change my life for the better' and as a result you were determined to put a rosy sheen on EVERYTHING. The stores, the products, the 'culture', the people. And this extended to your approach to your job.

I would be willing to bet that your efforts at your hagwon went well beyond buying things to 'incentivize' your students [but PIZZA? Really? My kids wouldn't even think to ask for that, it's so beyond their notion of what a teacher would give them]. I bet you have worked beyond your contracted hours, spent considerable effort trying to help the slower kids in your classes, purchased extensive materials that you were never reimbursed for [pictures, maps, construction supplies, markers, etc].

Your main problem, besides your inexplicable affection for this country, is that you fail to recognize the true philosophy behind hagwons in Korea: money. No one starts a hagwon because they 'love children' or any such nonsense. If they loved kids so much, why don't THEY spend all day teaching them? No, they do it because there is an absurd amount of won swirling around this country for people who can convince desperate parents they have the 'key' to a SKY or an Ivy or whatever educational fantasy animates their dreams.

I'm sorry you're about to be screwed, and learn the truth of my belief the hardest way. I do have sympathy. In terms of concrete advice, for God's sake don't wait for this woman to tell you one Friday your services are redundant. Look for a new job NOW, and if you're lucky you can quit on her first, thus serving her right. You can do the visa run to Japan like has been described many times on this forum. And in the future, watch out for yourself before anything else. You're of no value to your students if you aren't taken care of FIRST.

Please don't buy your new students pizza. Really.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I haven't made this much money in my 3 years of operation.

I got the same news from other fellow hagwon owners.


Bingo! Ours is a recession-proof business.
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