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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
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 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: Itaewon Killer Found |
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I just saw the news report this morning that agents in the U.S. cooperating with the Korean police arrested Arthur Patterson believed to be the one that stabbed the student in Itaewon. Now, they are debating if they will extradite him.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/117_96478.html |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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There needs to be justice for the young man killed and his grieving family. However the murderer should be tried in the USA for murder and not extradited to a country that routinely thumbs its nose at justice for foreigners in Korea.
Obviously he needs to go on trial for murder, but it should be done in the USA. |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
There needs to be justice for the young man killed and his grieving family. However the murderer should be tried in the USA for murder and not extradited to a country that routinely thumbs its nose at justice for foreigners in Korea.
Obviously he needs to go on trial for murder, but it should be done in the USA. |
huh? why? he murdered someone in korea... why should he be tried in the u.s.? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I really don't get why the US would be part of the murder trial. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
There needs to be justice for the young man killed and his grieving family. However the murderer should be tried in the USA for murder and not extradited to a country that routinely thumbs its nose at justice for foreigners in Korea.
Obviously he needs to go on trial for murder, but it should be done in the USA. |
Then he shouldn't have committed murder in a country with a justice system like that.
Going on your logic, most Americans who've committed crimes in other countries should have been tried in the USA. Most country's legal systems are still geared against innocent until proven guilty and are quite anti foreigner.
Only first world countries, and not even all of them, have legal systems that at least try to be fair and have the ideaology of innocent until proven guilty. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
There needs to be justice for the young man killed and his grieving family. However the murderer should be tried in the USA for murder and not extradited to a country that routinely thumbs its nose at justice for foreigners in Korea.
Obviously he needs to go on trial for murder, but it should be done in the USA. |
Is this a serious post? |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| There needs to be justice for the young man killed and his grieving family. However the murderer should be tried in the USA for murder and not extradited to a country that routinely thumbs its nose at justice for foreigners in Korea. |
I'll ignore the ridiculousness of trying him in the U.S. and chalk it up to sheer naivte.
However, there is this misconception that foreigners are unjustly punished in Korea, which is deeply ironic given how much foreigners are allowed to get away with. All the constant whining from foreigners, who all naturally proclaim their innocence, has created this perverse impression that Koreans are unfair to foreigners in criminal matters. Reality points out that foreigners get away with murder; literally in this case as Korea generally treats them with kid gloves.
In this case, Patterson got a 18-month prison sentence for possessing an illegal weapon and destroying evidence. Furthermore, he was released early as part of a widespread amnesty the government granted to convicts. A few months in jail for cold-blooded, random murder for the thrill of killing another human being?!?!!? How the hell is that being unfair to the foreigner?
Where's the justice for the young Korean woman who was brutally murdered by Kenneth Mackle? He shoved two beer bottles into her uterus, a Coke bottle into her vagina, matches into her mouth, and an umbrella into her anus. She died very painfully of bleeding and collapse of her organs. They found Mackle's fingerprints on the bottles inside of her and all he got was 13 years in prison for killing her. Do you think such a sadistic murderer would get off so easy in the U.S.?
Where's the justice for the young Korean woman killed by Timothy Henrix. He beat her to death for allegedly her chain smoking and then burned the body to cover up his crime. He got ten years in prison. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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@madoka
Korean justice is screwed up.
Only this year a woman killed her baby after it was born by putting tissue down its throat, she got 1 year.
A Korean man again this year strangled his daughter to death because she constantly criticized him for his financial incompetence. He got 8 years. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
Most country's legal systems are still geared against innocent until proven guilty and are quite anti foreigner.
Only first world countries, and not even all of them, have legal systems that at least try to be fair and have the ideaology of innocent until proven guilty. |
Then what is wrong with the stipulation that Westerners should be tried in western countries under western standards? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
Reality points out that foreigners get away with murder; literally in this case as Korea generally treats them with kid gloves.
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Really? Then I guess it might be better to seek justice for or against Westerner's in thier own respective countries. |
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SMOE NSET
Joined: 25 Feb 2010
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| No, it's not. He committed the crime in Korea. Therefore in Korea's jurisdiction so it's up to the Korean courts to bring him to justice. The U.S. agents just worked with Korean agents to catch him. Now, the U.S. must give permission to Korea so Korean can then extradite him back to Korea for trial for the crime he committed IN KOREA. |
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Greenman
Joined: 08 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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He absolutely should be sent back to Korea.
He most likely wont be. America has a long history of fighting for extradition TO the U.S but almost never reciprocates. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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You can go to ANY country on earth and find fault with its criminal justice system.
Sometimes the decisions that are rendered make no sense...and sometimes the penalties make no sense.
But....the average Joe citizen is quick to citizen the outcome without KNOWING the facts.
But I thought I heard everything �..until�..a previous poster��.wants the trial held in the U.S. for a crime committed in korea!! |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBuds wrote: |
Then he shouldn't have committed murder in a country with a justice system like that.
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If I get accused of murder... say .... in Indonesia, should my lawyer have to deal with the Indonesian standards that you can't insult the police, therefore everything the police say in court is not open to any scrutiny from my defense. That actually has happened to Westerners in Indonesia and that's obviously screwed up. Why just because I or another westerner might be in another country is it right and just and reasonable that if I were accused of something that I or any other westerner should be subject to that type of judicial thinking and reasoning. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather go to jail in Korea than the US.
Yes, Korean jails are spartan, but I wouldn't be in constant fear for my life or my anal virginity. |
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