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whatisinmyhead
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
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| dude love, everyone knows who you hate. who do you admire? |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: rely |
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| -Prove I said I hated someone and I'll wear a Che shirt. Meanwhile, I admire of plenty of people but I don't want to subject them to attack here. |
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whatisinmyhead
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Prove I said I hated someone and I'll wear a Che shirt. Meanwhile, I admire of plenty of people but I don't want to subject them to attack here. |
uuuggggghhhhhhh. well of course i can't "prove" that you said you hate che. but you'd have to admit you implied it. maybe "dislike" is a better word. "not fond of" perhaps. che is "not my favorite person". whatever man. you know what i meant.
so, like i said, i'm just wondering who you admire. you have started a handful of threads about people you "aren't a big fan of" (i hope that language wasn't to strong for you). it would be interesting to know who you admire. |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:33 pm Post subject: reply |
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| -I find it interesting how disapproving of something/being passively opposed is so often interpreted as hatred. And I don't hate Che, history's had much worse tyrants, but in most cases people have enough sense not to make heroes of them. I just think it's stupid to make a hero of him. As for who I admire, let's just say He never killed anybody, was kind to His enemies and never begged for His life. |
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whatisinmyhead
Joined: 31 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| As for who I admire, let's just say He never killed anybody, was kind to His enemies and never begged for His life. |
he killed your mind. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| The religiosity of this board far outweighs what I encounter on an everyday basis being in Korea. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| As for who I admire, let's just say He never killed anybody, was kind to His enemies and never begged for His life. |
he killed your mind. |
Got that right.
Dude Love seems to fundamentally misunderstand that the people wearing Che t-shirts are not doing it because they know about Che and admire who he was.........it's just an icon. Like when the punks in the late 70's wore swastikas on their clothing. Not because they were nazi's. But because they knew, as an icon, it would upset certain people. It's an apolitical thing.
Those guys in the video stopping people in the street for wearing Che t-shirts come across as real nerdy and annoying. Like those people who, no matter which famous person you mention, they will always have some dark and squalid story about them.
Yes, we know Che did some unpleasant stuff. But I've read several accounts of his life from various sources and remain an admirer of Che. He lived and died for his principles. |
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Dude Love
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: reply |
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| He lived and died for his principles? No, he surrendered with a fully loaded weapon and begged for his life. And considering oneself a communist revolutionary while wearing a Rolex and living in a home with a swimming pool and projection television with remote control isn't very principled. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:28 am Post subject: |
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putting someones head on your t-shirt does not mean you are making a hero of them. You are ASSUMING that about the person wearing the T-shirt.
Some people wear them because they are kind of cool and counter-culture.
I am one. |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:13 am Post subject: |
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people who actually get upset about a fashion item (because that's what Che shirts are for most people) will almost inevitably be Miami exilios or their brainwashed children.
I've read some stuff about Che.. (Anderson's biography is really good) and he's an interesting person for sure. Certainly responsible for some death and suffering, but he did stick to his principles, even when they applied to him, which is something you can say about very FEW Commie 'true believers' (which certainly included the Castro brothers themselves). |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:02 am Post subject: |
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He did fight, die and kill many people for his principles....does that make him an icon?
Seriously, Kim Jong Il fought for his principles during WWII. Castro fought for his principles as well.
The term icon gets tossed around far too freely in my opinion.
Still, it is no big deal if some dude wants to wear a Che T-shirt. He or she would not be first or last ignorant person making a statement based on something he or she does not really understand. Case in point the ole CCCP shirts that were worn at some point.
Such is life. |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: Re: reply |
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| Dude Love wrote: |
| And I don't hate Che, history's had much worse tyrants, but in most cases people have enough sense not to make heroes of them. |
Are you kidding? Andrew Jackson is on our damn 20 dollar bill. Columbus has a day to commemorate him, and the Spanish admired Cortez enough to ban Neil Young's song. Pretty sure those three had death tolls and actions at least as bad as Che, and were more morally reprehensible in their attitudes to race. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| I think that one has to put Che into the proper context of the time period he was in before passing proper judgement. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that one has to put Che into the proper context of the time period he was in before passing proper judgement. |
Che's culture was special. Please try to understand. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
He did fight, die and kill many people for his principles....does that make him an icon?
Seriously, Kim Jong Il fought for his principles during WWII. Castro fought for his principles as well.
The term icon gets tossed around far too freely in my opinion.
Still, it is no big deal if some dude wants to wear a Che T-shirt. He or she would not be first or last ignorant person making a statement based on something he or she does not really understand. Case in point the ole CCCP shirts that were worn at some point.
Such is life. |
I would be curious to see what could have become of Cuba with out American involvement. First we propped up a repressive regime, and when that regime lost we did everything to destroy the second one. We constantly tried to assisinate their leader, destroyed their economy with sanctions etc. etc. Not to say that Che or Castro are blameless, but to compare them with Kim Jong Il is a massive stretch. That being said I think it's absolutely crazy that we still have a travel restriction and all the trade restrictions that we do. If I wanted to I could travel to North Korea, but not to Cuba? That's crazy. |
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