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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| NOW = 3 years? um... NOW is NOW is NOW...well, it was 2 weeks ago..still.. |
We were talking about years, not weeks, because you posted:
"My buddy there in Korea is renewing for his 4th year at the same place"
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| Do you remember every single number related to your life 4 years ago? Your address? Alien ID #? |
I would remember the salary, and I do. Remembering an ID number is completely different than a salary. I could understand part-time jobs that only paid on an hourly basis. Maybe you get 5-6 of those a year, or even more. However, in Korea, 1 school? 1 salary? You can't remember that? That's some serious memory issues.
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| I said I was only there for 3 months. Did you read that? So I didn't complete. So there was no completion bonus. |
Yes, and I also read this part:
"I think they were paying some kind of completion bonus but I don't remember how much exactly."
So, if it is so obvious that you were there for 3 months, you didn't get a completion bonus!!! You can't throw that in and assume we will miss it. Think man, think.
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| I'm sure you have a point, somewhere.. waiting to see it. |
Yes, look at the title of the thread, look at where it went. The direction was "Go to China", not "Go to Beijing or Shanghai".
Look at what someone posted:
"But the wages and conditions are going up in China"
OH, IT WAS YOU!!!! 
If you are going to talk about CHINA, you SHOULD NOT use Beijing or Shanghai as representational of the salaries you can expect when coming to China. You mentioned China, then you went on to talk about Shanghai specifically. If you weren't talking about China but Shanghai instead, you should have started it that way instead of misleading.
Have I spelled it out enough for you or will you come up with some other exception to address?
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| 3) the pay is not proportionately lower or even the same, relative to cost of living in Shanghai, compared to other places in China |
That's why you shouldn't use Shanghai as a guide for China. People quote Beijing and Shanghai salaries, and others do not realize this difference thinking all of China is the same like it is more in Korea.
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| . Again, this is the KOREA DISCUSSION BOARD, so we're trying to establish a baseline for comparison between Korea and another country, in this case, China. |
Now you want to compare China? Before you were only talking about Shanghai. Make up your mind.
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| You haven't shown how being single in Shanghai has a more detrimental affect on your savings potential than being single in Korea.... period. |
You make less, you pay more, do the numbers. You don't come out ahead. Or, do you have a really bad Korean job? I am comparing average salaries. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:08 am Post subject: |
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4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest. 
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore.  Give it a rest. |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: |
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If you are so obsessed with remembering money that you make sure to remember every last RMB like that, I think you're in the wrong line of work... go become an accountant. BTW, you said can you remember exactly how much you made 4 years ago, 3 month duration? How much was it, down to the exact RMB or whatever currency it happened to be in? But whether or not my memory is going isn't really pertinent to this discussion, is it? Most schools hire people without giving them memory exams... If I am lying and I actually do remember, that also isn't pertinent because schools hire you without checking to see if you are a liar!
Yes, he has worked in Korea for 4 years... He is having his problem now. If you had just written, "worked for 4 years", instead of "4 years" it would have been more clear. I don't know his whole story, ie if he had any breaks in work longer than a month or two. I am not his agent. But this time, he renewed after at least one complete year worked and only 2 weeks off. ... he had to get all the docs again. He said he had to get the docs last year, too, so that makes 2 consecutive years for which he had to get that crapp... Hassle.
I think your reading/writing suck. Do you teach writing? Hope not. You stated that I should have received a completion bonus if i completed the contract. But I clearly stated I was only there for 3 months. I also clearly said I wasn't sure about the completion bonus, except to say that I was pretty sure there was one. Either you are really really bad at reading and writing, or just plain stupid. Repeated: I think there was a completion bonus but I'm not sure how much it was. If you want to know more about the completion bonus, ask someone who worked there for a whole year 4 years ago. That person is not me.
It is true that wages and conditions are getting better in China! Just because those wages and conditions are better in Sh and Bj, as well as several other places such as guangzhou, chonqing, etc, it doesn't mean that overall they're not getting better throughout the whole country. I qualified my claim on the basis of my experience, which was in Sh. You stated that Sh and Bj have higher wages than the rest of China, which I didnt dispute. However, Sh and Bj ARE in China and therefore it is true that in China, wages and conditions are catching up to wages and condition in Korea. "Catching up" obviously ranges from getting close (big cities) to not getting as close (countryside), but they are still catching up. You are like the master of the red herring argument.. but not.
Next, you're going to be talking about monkeys that flew out of your butt when you lived in the countryside of China and you're going to say that since they were single monkeys, we should not live in Korea.
Well, at least if you do that, this thread won't get deleted by the mods eventually because it will still have something to do with Korea.
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| NOW = 3 years? um... NOW is NOW is NOW...well, it was 2 weeks ago..still.. |
We were talking about years, not weeks, because you posted:
"My buddy there in Korea is renewing for his 4th year at the same place"
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| Do you remember every single number related to your life 4 years ago? Your address? Alien ID #? |
I would remember the salary, and I do. Remembering an ID number is completely different than a salary. I could understand part-time jobs that only paid on an hourly basis. Maybe you get 5-6 of those a year, or even more. However, in Korea, 1 school? 1 salary? You can't remember that? That's some serious memory issues.
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| I said I was only there for 3 months. Did you read that? So I didn't complete. So there was no completion bonus. |
Yes, and I also read this part:
"I think they were paying some kind of completion bonus but I don't remember how much exactly."
So, if it is so obvious that you were there for 3 months, you didn't get a completion bonus!!! You can't throw that in and assume we will miss it. Think man, think.
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| I'm sure you have a point, somewhere.. waiting to see it. |
Yes, look at the title of the thread, look at where it went. The direction was "Go to China", not "Go to Beijing or Shanghai".
Look at what someone posted:
"But the wages and conditions are going up in China"
OH, IT WAS YOU!!!!
If you are going to talk about CHINA, you SHOULD NOT use Beijing or Shanghai as representational of the salaries you can expect when coming to China. You mentioned China, then you went on to talk about Shanghai specifically. If you weren't talking about China but Shanghai instead, you should have started it that way instead of misleading.
Have I spelled it out enough for you or will you come up with some other exception to address?
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| 3) the pay is not proportionately lower or even the same, relative to cost of living in Shanghai, compared to other places in China |
That's why you shouldn't use Shanghai as a guide for China. People quote Beijing and Shanghai salaries, and others do not realize this difference thinking all of China is the same like it is more in Korea.
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| . Again, this is the KOREA DISCUSSION BOARD, so we're trying to establish a baseline for comparison between Korea and another country, in this case, China. |
Now you want to compare China? Before you were only talking about Shanghai. Make up your mind.
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| You haven't shown how being single in Shanghai has a more detrimental affect on your savings potential than being single in Korea.... period. |
You make less, you pay more, do the numbers. You don't come out ahead. Or, do you have a really bad Korean job? I am comparing average salaries. |
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pest2
Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:59 am Post subject: |
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ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
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4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| pest2 wrote: |
ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
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4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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No dude. I'm a gyopo. I'm still living in Seoul and married to a gorgeous Korean woman and we have a son together. I'm still working for the same Korean corporation and after my promotion a couple years ago, annually, I make over six figures in US dollars...even with the crappy exchange rate.
See ya around, pest. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| pest2 wrote: |
ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
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4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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No dude. I'm a gyopo. I'm still living in Seoul and married to a gorgeous Korean woman and we have a son together. I'm still working for the same Korean corporation and after my promotion a couple years ago, annually, I make over six figures in US dollars...even with the crappy exchange rate.
See ya around, pest. |
Ouch...someone just got owned.
But be careful freakstar you do know that on here (Daves) being a gyopo is a FAULT right? |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
| pest2 wrote: |
ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
| Freakstar wrote: |
4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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No dude. I'm a gyopo. I'm still living in Seoul and married to a gorgeous Korean woman and we have a son together. I'm still working for the same Korean corporation and after my promotion a couple years ago, annually, I make over six figures in US dollars...even with the crappy exchange rate.
See ya around, pest. |
Ouch...someone just got owned.
But be careful freakstar you do know that on here (Daves) being a gyopo is a FAULT right? |
Heh heh. Yeah, I've been around the block enough times to know that many people here on Dave's like to sing the "Gyopos are doomed in Korea" song. That shit was old back in 2007 and it's even more tired now in 2011. But some will continue to sing it...even though they don't live in Korea anymore and are back in Canada.  |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Freakstar wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Freakstar wrote: |
| pest2 wrote: |
ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
| Freakstar wrote: |
4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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No dude. I'm a gyopo. I'm still living in Seoul and married to a gorgeous Korean woman and we have a son together. I'm still working for the same Korean corporation and after my promotion a couple years ago, annually, I make over six figures in US dollars...even with the crappy exchange rate.
See ya around, pest. |
Ouch...someone just got owned.
But be careful freakstar you do know that on here (Daves) being a gyopo is a FAULT right? |
Heh heh. Yeah, I've been around the block enough times to know that many people here on Dave's like to sing the "Gyopos are doomed in Korea" song. That shit was old back in 2007 and it's even more tired now in 2011. But some will continue to sing it...even though they don't live in Korea anymore and are back in Canada. |
Yeah it goes right along with the hit single: oh you like Korea you must be an apologist or a KOREAN wannabee.
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| But I clearly stated I was only there for 3 months. I also clearly said I wasn't sure about the completion bonus, except to say that I was pretty sure there was one. |
Do you see the logical fallacy in what you just stated?
" I was only there for 3 months"
" I was pretty sure there was one"
If you were only there for 3 months, then there wasn't a completion bonus. This is why I am not replying to any of your other comments. YOU LACK LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE. I know you aren't lying (as suggested by you) because lying would require some logic to deceive a person. You aren't even doing that. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Freakstar wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Freakstar wrote: |
| pest2 wrote: |
ah yeah, i remember ur Id... u were one of those apologist twits.. Ur name, "freakstar" was fitting. Howz it hangin? I missed u too...
| Freakstar wrote: |
4 years later, I see that pest2 is still a petulant pest.
Dude, you're in Canada. You don't even live in Korea anymore. Give it a rest. |
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No dude. I'm a gyopo. I'm still living in Seoul and married to a gorgeous Korean woman and we have a son together. I'm still working for the same Korean corporation and after my promotion a couple years ago, annually, I make over six figures in US dollars...even with the crappy exchange rate.
See ya around, pest. |
Ouch...someone just got owned.
But be careful freakstar you do know that on here (Daves) being a gyopo is a FAULT right? |
Heh heh. Yeah, I've been around the block enough times to know that many people here on Dave's like to sing the "Gyopos are doomed in Korea" song. That shit was old back in 2007 and it's even more tired now in 2011. But some will continue to sing it...even though they don't live in Korea anymore and are back in Canada. |
Yeah it goes right along with the hit single: oh you like Korea you must be an apologist or a KOREAN wannabee.
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Ah yes...how could I forget that hit single by that one-hit wonder, KOREASUCKZBALLZ BECUZ IT'S NOT AMERICA. Why is it still getting air play here on Dave's? Because some people have horrible taste in music. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Who says that?
I thought Dave's was a bastion of America bashing. (@_@)
I also don't like horrible music, which is why I'm not a fan of the following tunes (on heavy rotation on the Dave's ESL Cafe jukebox):
"College degress aren't worth the paper they're printed on."
"Western economies have collapsed completely, and there are no jobs or opportunities there for the rest of eternity."
"Korea sucks, but at least it's not as bad as [insert name of home country]."
"Convert your fiat money into gold bars and bury them in your backyard where the NWO Bilderbergs can't find them." |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Ouch...someone just got owned.
But be careful freakstar you do know that on here (Daves) being a gyopo is a FAULT right? |
It that the consensus on here though? I would argue the opposite. Gyopos have a huge advantage because:
1) They can get the F4 visa
2) Many (most) have had at least some exposure to the Korean language during the "critical period" of brain development. This means their odds of reaching fluency in the Korean language are greatly increased.
If you read information about gypos having it bad on this board, perhaps the posts came from gypos themselves who were trying to justify their own shortcomings. But actually, they are very lucky. Anyone with the right visa, a pulse, and half a brain can make loads of money here.
If you want to talk about discrimination in Korea:
-Females have a huge advantage over males.
-F visa holders have a huge advantage over those without one.
-Beautiful people have a huge advantage those who are physically unattractive.
-Those who came to Korea pre-flooding of the market (and got their foot in the door at university positions back when hiring standards were lower) have a huge advantage over those who came to Korea more recently.
If even just one of the four advantages I listed applied to me, I would be doing much better financially. As it stands now, through my intelligence and ambition, I am making way more money than those in a similiar position (male/ no F-visa/ uglo-american). It just sucks to be held back by factors that should have nothing to do with one's ability to be a good teacher. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| That job will be lucky to get filled. No airfare? 2 days non stat holidays? 2mil and 2pm to 10pm? |
In reality though its no different from what they've been doing in practise for the past decade. Sure you may have been promised 10 days in the past but good luck trying to take them.
No, the real problem nowadays is not any percieved decrease in conditions, its that employers have suddenly gotten spoiled with having too many applicants and too many options as a result. Result is they're more abusive and arrogant than before.
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| It just sucks to be held back by factors that should have nothing to do with one's ability to be a good teacher. |
Cultural difference. Korea places a low emphasis on expertise. The assumption in this country is that anyone can do anything: how well or poorly they do it is not really important.
The appearance of the teacher is far, far more important than his or her actual ability. Koreans have told me this much and they are also tired of these attitudes. I have a K-friend who was rejected for a job that she was well-qualified for because she didn't "look" the part. I got fired from a job I excelled at simply because the boss didn't like my moustache.
In Korea employability is based on:
Appearance (ethnicity, looks and smart dress) 75%.
Politics (do you pamper the right egos?) 24%
Qualifications and experience 0.5%
Ability 0.5% |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:12 am Post subject: |
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In Korea employability is based on:
Appearance (ethnicity, looks and smart dress) 75%.
Politics (do you pamper the right egos?) 24%
Qualifications and experience 0.5%
Ability 0.5% |
You keep on believing that. It also makes a nice built-in excuse in case of failure.
Well done.
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:29 am Post subject: |
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You keep on believing that. It also makes a nice built-in excuse in case of failure.
Well done.
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Aren't you getting a bit old to still be trolling these boards Homer? I mean you've only been at it for 10 years.
Considering the fact that you would never be able to get even a kindy split shift job here now. It ain't 2005 any more, they no longer hire balding pot-bellied ex convicts. |
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