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Bad omens - firing question.

 
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Bad omens - firing question. Reply with quote

I'm not really ready to go into tons of details in this post,

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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are indifferent and want to leave Korea, why do you care?
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jamesd



Joined: 15 Aug 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm told by more experienced FT's that it's always good to have your principal on your side. Let others see you eat and drink with your principal so that other Korean teachers or staff won't be messing with you.

I never heard of someone being fired for not socializing with Koreans.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesd wrote:
I'm told by more experienced FT's that it's always good to have your principal on your side. Let others see you eat and drink with your principal so that other Korean teachers or staff won't be messing with you.

I never heard of someone being fired for not socializing with Koreans.



Yeah, that's what I've heard and it's been my experience in previous jobs here.


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tideout



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamesd wrote:
I'm told by more experienced FT's that it's always good to have your principal on your side. Let others see you eat and drink with your principal so that other Korean teachers or staff won't be messing with you.

I never heard of someone being fired for not socializing with Koreans.



Yeah, that's what I've heard and it's been my experience in previous jobs here.

As to why do I care - if I don't care, it's really a question ofinterests.

The response by james is the type of info/opinion I was interested in.

Again, thanks for your thoughts on it.


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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It can go against you if you don't attend school dinner/drunk parties. One time I had plans to see friends in Busan when the Daegu dictator decided to have a party. Of course, being told this as I'm heading out the door was typical. So, I apologized for the conflict and headed to Busan. The following week I was looking for a new job. No regrets
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
It can go against you if you don't attend school dinner/drunk parties. One time I had plans to see friends in Busan when the Daegu dictator decided to have a party. Of course, being told this as I'm heading out the door was typical. So, I apologized for the conflict and headed to Busan. The following week I was looking for a new job. No regrets
Laughing


They actually fired you for that?
What were the costs as far as plane fare reimbursement etc...? You didn't technically break your contract as drinking with an idiot isn't typically listed.


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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a game. More so in public schools. Many times it is not the work you do but the image you portray. Public schools and even some places like to portray themselves as a family or a community. In a sense it is a court and you are another courtier.

Take those quips as advice like "go along to get along".

Sometimes these things/events will be unfair and irrational. Others difficult to accommodate. I think one of the classics is the eating lunch in lunch room. Many school teachers are to eat together. But with foreigners problems come up - they do not like the food, or they can not eat the food for reasons like vegetarianism. Others, just want to get away for a time. Now some people can get away with not doing lunch (ha). Still for most the expectation is you will be there. The thinking is this if you are there you are part of the group, not there, you are not part. By not showing up you give the message of you do not care or even think you are better then everyone else. You build resentment. Never mind as a waygook you are already counted against, by further stepping away you make yourself more of an outsider.

Try to find a balance. Go to what event you can. Grin and bear it. Try to judge when something is worth doing and when you can skip. Learn the tricks. Go out for a drink, but have an excuse to go early. Find places in which you can volunteer or join in to build credit. For example if the school had a school event on a Saturday, but you made the effort to come even you did not have too. That credit will work of letting you go early on Friday or of a slide in another area. Hey Sam teacher did not come with us on Friday night but he was there for the school speeches so let this one go.

But if you are leaving and do not care - burn your bridges. Just remember a school can still make you leaving an easy one or a hard one.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
It's a game. More so in public schools. Many times it is not the work you do but the image you portray. Public schools and even some places like to portray themselves as a family or a community. In a sense it is a court and you are another courtier.

Take those quips as advice like "go along to get along".

Sometimes these things/events will be unfair and irrational. Others difficult to accommodate. I think one of the classics is the eating lunch in lunch room. Many school teachers are to eat together. But with foreigners problems come up - they do not like the food, or they can not eat the food for reasons like vegetarianism. Others, just want to get away for a time. Now some people can get away with not doing lunch (ha). Still for most the expectation is you will be there. The thinking is this if you are there you are part of the group, not there, you are not part. By not showing up you give the message of you do not care or even think you are better then everyone else. You build resentment. Never mind as a waygook you are already counted against, by further stepping away you make yourself more of an outsider.

Try to find a balance. Go to what event you can. Grin and bear it. Try to judge when something is worth doing and when you can skip. Learn the tricks. Go out for a drink, but have an excuse to go early. Find places in which you can volunteer or join in to build credit. For example if the school had a school event on a Saturday, but you made the effort to come even you did not have too. That credit will work of letting you go early on Friday or of a slide in another area. Hey Sam teacher did not come with us on Friday night but he was there for the school speeches so let this one go.

But if you are leaving and do not care - burn your bridges. Just remember a school can still make you leaving an easy one or a hard one.


Skippy, thanks for your thoughtful advice and taking the time for the post.


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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tideout wrote:
Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida wrote:
It can go against you if you don't attend school dinner/drunk parties. One time I had plans to see friends in Busan when the Daegu dictator decided to have a party. Of course, being told this as I'm heading out the door was typical. So, I apologized for the conflict and headed to Busan. The following week I was looking for a new job. No regrets
Laughing


They actually fired you for that? Seriously, what a bunch of rubes off the farm at times.

What were the costs as far as plane fare reimbursement etc...? You didn't technically break your contract as drinking with an idiot isn't typically listed.


Well I was fired but they still wanted me to teach. Yep not really ethical or legal. Seeing how the visa run hadn't happened yet, I found another job. The new school sent me to Japan and paid my ticket back once the year was done.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a public school contract, chances are slim they will fire you. They really need a good reason. Plus you are very well protected. Hagwon are a different story.
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tideout



Joined: 12 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
If you have a public school contract, chances are slim they will fire you. They really need a good reason. Plus you are very well protected. Hagwon are a different story.


Thanks I-am-me
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