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rchristo10
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PigeonFart
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| I'm too afraid to look at it. What do you mean it's important to know what's going on in the world? Was there something different about this knock-down? There are accidents everyday. Why did this get more attention? |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Watch with caution...this is a horror of humanity.
Even though this is caught on video...it is still hard to believe this kind of behavior is possible...truly sickening.
Human compassion at its lowest.
The accident itself is brutal...what comes after is disgusting.
Absolutely fucking disgusting.
Mods...sorry for the language..but it is deserved at least in this instance. |
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metalhead
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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The youku version you posted/ saw yesterday is extremely tamed. The youtube versions show that this kid was initially hit by a car..then run over by the back tire. Then 3 or 4 people walk past the 2-year-old girl lying prostate on the ground. A second car comes over and runs her over again...all the while no one bothers to help. After what had to be at least 10 to 15 minutes, a garbage worker decides to stop and yell for help to save the poor girl.
This guardian article says that people online honestly argued that it would be more logical to ignore the kid and avoid getting involved:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/17/toddler-hit-and-run-china |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| No, I saw the version that you just described. Well, there's not much to say really so I'll leave it at that. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| No, I saw the version that you just described. Well, there's not much to say really so I'll leave it at that. |
Yeah, you're right minus the blurring.
I'm glad you feel the same, horrible... |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Here's some background on the litigation Good Samaritans may face in China if they choose to help an injured stranger:
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No one has been punished for fraudulent claims, in part perhaps because offenders are usually poor and elderly. Some may have been genuinely confused or simply desperate for money to cover medical fees.
In a 2009 paper on the phenomenon, anthropologist Yunxiang Yan pointed out that police and judges frequently demanded that the helper prove his innocence, while the extortionist was not required to provide witnesses or other evidence.
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (�4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall. |
Sounds like it's not those 18 people who are "horrible", but the society itself. This is why the United States has some decent legislation protecting Good Samaritans. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Here's some background on the litigation Good Samaritans may face in China if they choose to help an injured stranger:
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No one has been punished for fraudulent claims, in part perhaps because offenders are usually poor and elderly. Some may have been genuinely confused or simply desperate for money to cover medical fees.
In a 2009 paper on the phenomenon, anthropologist Yunxiang Yan pointed out that police and judges frequently demanded that the helper prove his innocence, while the extortionist was not required to provide witnesses or other evidence.
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (�4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall. |
Sounds like it's not those 18 people who are "horrible", but the society itself. This is why the United States has some decent legislation protecting Good Samaritans. |
While the instant case is rather egregious, the West has its problems too in this area.
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In England in 2006, BBC News reported the story of a bricklayer who spotted a toddler at the side of the road. As he later testified at a hearing, he didn�t stop to help for fear he�d be accused of trying to abduct her. You know: A man driving around with a little girl in his car? She'd end up at a pond and drowned, right? 
We think we�re protecting our kids by treating all men as potential predators. But that�s not a society that�s safe. Just sick. Eek! A Male! (Wall Street Journal) |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| comm wrote: |
Here's some background on the litigation Good Samaritans may face in China if they choose to help an injured stranger:
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No one has been punished for fraudulent claims, in part perhaps because offenders are usually poor and elderly. Some may have been genuinely confused or simply desperate for money to cover medical fees.
In a 2009 paper on the phenomenon, anthropologist Yunxiang Yan pointed out that police and judges frequently demanded that the helper prove his innocence, while the extortionist was not required to provide witnesses or other evidence.
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (�4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall. |
Sounds like it's not those 18 people who are "horrible", but the society itself. This is why the United States has some decent legislation protecting Good Samaritans. |
That's an interestingly morbid twist. Maybe it's my strange Western upbringing, but I would save the life of a 2-year-old kid even if it put me in debt.  |
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scott
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:33 am Post subject: |
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rchristo10
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Not trying to compare apples and oranges...and no pun towards any people or countries intended...but the thought of second guessing helping a 2-year-old in a situation like this is rather retarded, especially since people often involve themselves in mess that they could likely totally ignore in both China and Korea, sometimes with devastating consequences. Someone say brick to the head?
Ignoring a 2-year-old toddler with crushed limbs lying in blood at your feet to question ethics, morality, nationality, or perhaps the cost of pulling out a cellphone and calling 119, or doing what the woman did--yell help--is just sick. |
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rollo
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Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| She is not part of ones family or part of the your circle of contacts then the girl means that nothing to the average chinese. Nothing. Common that someone is hurt or needs help and is ignored. They can be a kind and friendly people but they seem to lack in certains ways when it comes to emphathy. |
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Kuros
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You are witnessing a society without trust. The legal system presumes that the Good Samaritan is also the perpetrator. The people don't even trust each other to vouch as witnesses. Nobody has faith in their ability to help. And nobody is willing to risk so much even to save a child.
The messed up thing is there is a camera right there to exonerate any Good Samaritan. |
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weso1
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
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