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TheUrbanMyth
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| BigBuds wrote: |
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| Whatever happened to not having to give another cbc or apostilled diploma to immigration if you had already given one and not left the country for more than 3 months? Last time I was in immigration because I renewed my passport I asked about this and they told me that I would not need new documents for a visa. I thought we moved to a one and done system?!? |
It's not immigration asking for it, it's the Department of Education. There's a difference. |
Indeed...I've been trying to drill this into people's heads on another thread. Immigration may not require an annual CBC from you IF you have not left the country. But the MOE very well might. That is an employment issue not a visa issue.
And yes the MOE can regulate hakwons as well. Here's an example.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=212662
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: New F-2 laws for Dept of Education |
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| cle2kor wrote: |
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| My hagwon has told me recently that I need to get an apostiled CBC and diploma now even though I am on an F-2 visa. They said that there are new rules being set down by the Ministry of Education. Any other F-2 people out there being told this? |
This is beyond annoying. So we have to get a criminal background check every year or if we change employers even after having an F-2? What's the benefit of having the visa?
Ridiculous!
I thought your wife sponsors your F-2, why does an employer have any say in where we work or what we do? |
It would seem to me that an employer has the ultimate say over where you work and what you do. After all having a F-2 does not guarantee you the right to a job...if you want to work somewhere you still have to fulfill the employer's requirements. |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not an F2 Visa holder but there is one really big concern that comes to my mind. What about guys on an F2 who have maybe been here for a while, have a wife and kids to support, but don't have a clean CBC? Surely to god they wont be in a position where they face losing their jobs over something like a DUI? |
Yes that could be a big concern for some people. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the education authorities are any more lenient than immigration has been in regards to minor offences. Also, this should be obvious but I'll say it anyway, since this is an education office policy, this will only apply to teaching jobs. F2 holders will still be able to work any other job without providing a background check.
Personally, I have no problem with this policy in theory. It's reasonable to ask teachers for background checks, and happens all over the world. It's the logistics of this that is a nightmare. It can take several months and hundreds of dollars to obtain one of these FBI checks/apostilles. And for someone like me, who hasn't been to the USA in over 7 years, and no longer has any living family members there, it's going to be a huge hassle to get one. If I have to do this once, fine, I'll suffer through it. If I half to do this every single time I get a new job, or once a year, even if I haven't gone back to the states, then I might be looking for a new line of work. |
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litebear
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| Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| r122925 wrote: |
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| I'm not an F2 Visa holder but there is one really big concern that comes to my mind. What about guys on an F2 who have maybe been here for a while, have a wife and kids to support, but don't have a clean CBC? Surely to god they wont be in a position where they face losing their jobs over something like a DUI? |
Yes that could be a big concern for some people. I guess we'll have to wait and see if the education authorities are any more lenient than immigration has been in regards to minor offences. Also, this should be obvious but I'll say it anyway, since this is an education office policy, this will only apply to teaching jobs. F2 holders will still be able to work any other job without providing a background check.
Personally, I have no problem with this policy in theory. It's reasonable to ask teachers for background checks, and happens all over the world. It's the logistics of this that is a nightmare. It can take several months and hundreds of dollars to obtain one of these FBI checks/apostilles. And for someone like me, who hasn't been to the USA in over 7 years, and no longer has any living family members there, it's going to be a huge hassle to get one. If I have to do this once, fine, I'll suffer through it. If I half to do this every single time I get a new job, or once a year, even if I haven't gone back to the states, then I might be looking for a new line of work. |
I guess everyone is probably best keeping their powder dry for the moment until we know exactly what is happening. From memory immigration gave E2s like a 1 year amnesty if they were already in Korea and extending regards the nation wide check, maybe the Education Board will do the same for F2s. I also hope they will come to there senses eventually and require just Korean CBCs for those haven't left the country for any significant period of time.
Another question that needs answered for E2 Visa holders. Would they now need 2 sets of docs? 1 for Immi and one for MOE? |
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cle2kor
Joined: 06 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| BigBuds wrote: |
| tigershark wrote: |
| Whatever happened to not having to give another cbc or apostilled diploma to immigration if you had already given one and not left the country for more than 3 months? Last time I was in immigration because I renewed my passport I asked about this and they told me that I would not need new documents for a visa. I thought we moved to a one and done system?!? |
It's not immigration asking for it, it's the Department of Education. There's a difference. |
Indeed...I've been trying to drill this into people's heads on another thread. Immigration may not require an annual CBC from you IF you have not left the country. But the MOE very well might. That is an employment issue not a visa issue.
And yes the MOE can regulate hakwons as well. Here's an example.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=212662 |
SO I'm planning to leave Korea to go to America for 4-5 days and come back in Jan. But I'm not going to apply for F-2 until Feb. Does this mean since I went to America for a few days a month before applying for the F-2 K-immi will require a CBC? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| cle2kor wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| BigBuds wrote: |
| tigershark wrote: |
| Whatever happened to not having to give another cbc or apostilled diploma to immigration if you had already given one and not left the country for more than 3 months? Last time I was in immigration because I renewed my passport I asked about this and they told me that I would not need new documents for a visa. I thought we moved to a one and done system?!? |
It's not immigration asking for it, it's the Department of Education. There's a difference. |
Indeed...I've been trying to drill this into people's heads on another thread. Immigration may not require an annual CBC from you IF you have not left the country. But the MOE very well might. That is an employment issue not a visa issue.
And yes the MOE can regulate hakwons as well. Here's an example.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=212662 |
SO I'm planning to leave Korea to go to America for 4-5 days and come back in Jan. But I'm not going to apply for F-2 until Feb. Does this mean since I went to America for a few days a month before applying for the F-2 K-immi will require a CBC? |
That should read (above) "IF you have not left the country for more than three months". To my understanding there is a three month grace period. If you come back in during that period Immigration has indicated that they may not ask for a CBC. A few days should be fine...unless they change their policies yet again. |
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