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[drydell]

The Communist Party of China is about as communist as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic..
http://digitaljournal.com/article/293790

From Maoist authoritarian communist state to capitalist authoritarian state...(sorry but squabblers of who's side do they belong).... that's one ticked off for both sides on the political divide in terms of bastard governments..

btw - the horizontal linear political spectrum has been considered far too simplistic by political scientists for a good while - biaxial spectrums are considered much more helpful....or something like this...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-27vh3Ert_nk/Tay4irrutbI/AAAAAAAAHtE/-owk0UoZYCE/s1600/Political_Spectrum.JPG

[Kuros]

[visitorq]

[gecko2112]

What is Facism? That's easy. USA!

[Steelrails]

When I think Fascism, I think of individual will being deferred to a nationalist "group-think" combined with a high degree of militarization and a significant amount of government command in the economy.

I myself have come to favor A sort of Democro-Social-Fascism in terms of economic policy.

I read an article that said that "good jobs" are going to be one of the keys for a country's prosperity in the 21st century globalized economy.

If this is true, then one of the government's primary purposes should be ensuring a maximum number of those "good jobs". This means everything from successful exporting companies that manufacture goods providing "good" high school education level manual labor jobs. It also means ensuring "good" jobs in the international finance, technical, service, and academic, etc. spheres for college educated individuals. Combine this with promoting economic freedom and deregulation for small businesses and service industries. It would probably involve a relatively regulated "big business" sector with a relatively deregulated small business sector.

Now the people in charge would have to be accountable, whether that would involve direct or representative democracy is a different question. I can't help but think of the "three estates" in France and thinking that the major actors, at least in the jobs/economic sphere of government should represent the interests of those three groups: Professionals, Workers, and Small-Scale Entrepreneurs. Of course, the financial-shareholder class would probably get in there as well, but hopefully they wouldn't have the disproportionate influence they now wield. I have no problem with big business having significant influence, as long as they continue to provide jobs to the citizenry.

Now there is an element of nationalism to this. However there is no need for xenophobia or jingoism, in fact that would not be conducive to creating "good jobs". But yes, the jobs and welfare of the people of the nation would come first and this might (or might not- depends on what is necessary) be reflected in say, tariff or monetary or immigration policy.

Now this is only in terms of job-creation policy. I guess this would be somewhat fascist or socialist.

When it comes to social issues I am very much a local-libertarian, with a belief that it is not important so much what liberties are expanded or what limits are imposed, but rather that the results reflect the appropriate scope of the population and are enacted through a close-to-direct democratic process. In short, it's not what they people decide, it is making sure that they are the one's deciding it that is important.

[Unposter]

I am not really sure what Fascism is other than the Parties of Hitler and Mussolini. I am of the opinion that Fascism is not really a vogue term anymore. I think the better term these days is Totalitarian which is basically a dictatorship or a clearly defined oligarchy. A dictatorship can have any kind of economy, whether it is communist, socialist, capitalist, corporatist or any other -ist the dictator likes. The main point is the dictatorship.

When I think of Fasicists, I think of people who think they are racially superior to others and therefore have the right to rule, subjegate (sp?) (and commit genocide of) people of other races, regardless of whether you think there are races or not (Fascists do).

But, what the point of this thread is, I also don't know.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[RangerMcGreggor]

Fascism is a pretty broad term, and like Communism/Socialism there are many flavors of it. Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy changed policies on numerous issues (especially economic) but in general the most consistent aspects of Fascism are the following.

1.) Hyper-nationalism and jingoism

2.) Rejection of both liberal and socialist economic ideas in favor of a "third way." There is no consistent doctrine on what the "third way" is and Fascist countries seem to change their political economy radically.

3.) Calls for totalitarianism.

4.) Rapid military expansion and support for imperial foreign policy.

5.) Traditional/conservative views of society and what roles people play in. Men are strong and mighty while women shoot out babies.


On the issue of Fascism/Communism being on the same spectrum... eer it really depends on what paradigm you're talking about and what forms of Communism. There are some major ideological differences but sometimes in practice they are similar for all practical reasons. Ideology wise the general differences can be summarized as the following:

1.) Class warfare (Communism) vs Class cooperation (Fascism)

2.) Internationalism (Communism) vs Hyper-nationalism (Fascism)

3.) Destruction of state in the long run (Communism) vs Expansion of state (Fascism)


In practice? As I said it depends. The Communism that was advocated by the likes of Bakunin and the CNT is quiet different from Fascism. Lenin-Marxist and it's descendants on the other hand can be argued to be the same for all practical purposes (The more libertarian wings of socialism often accuse Lenin-Marxism of being Fascist actually).

It is also worth noting that both Nazism and Italian Fascism both have it's roots coming from Communism. Many earlier fascists were dedicated Communists who believed that nationalism was needed and supported their countries during WWI. Benito was one of these. Hitler wasn't, but the Nazi Party did have a strong socialist wing (though anti-Communist) within it's ranks during the 1920s before the Night of Long Knives.

[RangerMcGreggor]