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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
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I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
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rchristo10
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panda. This was not an accident!!! The driver deliberately hit the girl. And no it does not happen everywhere. i myself have seen several accident victims ignored by passer-bys and left bleeding and no one helped them. yes this is about China and the Chinese. REad MARX AND LENIN AND HOW THEY ADVOCATED VIOLENCE. The individual was not important just the STATE.
Please can some one show stats that atheists are not incarcerated at the same percentage as theists???
Can some one explain the link between young black people gunning each other down in the u.S. AND A TODDLER BEING RUN OVER BY A VAN IN cHINA???? |
Hey Panda, thanks for that video. It's easy to tell that it was an accident. I wouldn't say I know whether the kid in the one I posted was run over intentionally or not, but it was clear that several people walked passed the kid and didn't stop to see if she was ok (I saw two who seemed to see that it was a kid injured...but just kept going).
I don't think it's a case of Communism. In fact, I'd argue that it's more like the combination of neo-Confucianism and capitalism, but I think I'd be truly shooting in the air there.
I have no idea where your conclusion �this driver deliberately hit the girl." was from. Have you noticed how easily toddlers are ignored by the drivers.
This vid showed a careless father ran over his own kid, did this father do it deliberately?
The driver in the first case didn�t stop though after he noticed he hit something, that was never unforgivable.
Find your communism phobia and Jesus fetish another treatment. Lenin and Marx have long been out of fashion in China. Even they still have their fans, what they advocated and a hit- and- run driver seem to be totally irrelevant.
if this is a China thing as you said, why bother bringing out the black kids shooting each other thing to compare to. were you playing any self-contradiction game? Or just to tell others, all creatures in the world expect jesus christ believing white males are inferior? |
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rchristo10
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panda. This was not an accident!!! The driver deliberately hit the girl. And no it does not happen everywhere. i myself have seen several accident victims ignored by passer-bys and left bleeding and no one helped them. yes this is about China and the Chinese. REad MARX AND LENIN AND HOW THEY ADVOCATED VIOLENCE. The individual was not important just the STATE.
Please can some one show stats that atheists are not incarcerated at the same percentage as theists???
Can some one explain the link between young black people gunning each other down in the u.S. AND A TODDLER BEING RUN OVER BY A VAN IN cHINA???? |
I have no idea where your conclusion �this driver deliberately hit the girl." was from. Have you noticed how easily toddlers are ignored by the drivers.
This vid showed a careless father ran over his own kid, did this father do it deliberately?
The driver in the first case didn�t stop though after he noticed he hit something, that was never unforgivable.
Find your communism phobia and Jesus fetish another treatment. Lenin and Marx have long been out of fashion in China. Even they still have their fans, what they advocated and a hit- and- run driver seem to be totally irrelevant.
if this is a China thing as you said, why bother bringing out the black kids shooting each other thing to compare to. were you playing any self-contradiction game? Or just to tell others, all creatures in the world expect jesus christ believing white males are inferior? |
Hey Panda, thanks for that video. In, your video it's easy to tell that it was an accident. I wouldn't say I know whether the kid in the one I posted was run over intentionally or not, but it was clear that several people walked passed the kid and didn't stop to see if she was ok (I saw two whom seemed to see that it was a kid injured...but just kept going).
I don't think it's a case of Communism. In fact, I'd argue that it's more like the combination of neo-Confucianism and capitalism, but I think I'd be truly shooting in the air there.
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Steelrails
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
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rchristo10
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| rchristo10 wrote: |
| weso1 wrote: |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
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Steelrails
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| weso1 wrote: |
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| methdxman wrote: |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
Actually I do understand what you're saying, more commenting on the writing style which is a little...earthy. |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
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| this is exactly what happens when atheism sweeps across a nation |
It's not a question of atheism or not. Atheism was championed in the 1980s, and you didn't hear of such stories, and plenty of Muslims, Christians, and Jews who believe in a higher power killed millions and millions of people. Being a believer in a higher power or not doesn't make a nation safe or dangerous on its own.
China needs to change its laws regarding Good Samaritans trying to help. Some Chinese people have said that some people might fear intervening, and they don't want to be sued.
As far as the driver, he should be charged with manslaughter. Why?
He slowed down after he hit the girl. He wouldn't have done that if he hadn't noticed he hit something. Instead of stopping, he decided to drive on, and then ran her over. She might have survived had that not happened. I watched the video 3 times to be sure. He is guilty. He didn't bother to stop. |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
Did you know that excessive use of ellipses is related to severe mental disturbance? I mention this in all seriousness. It's one to ponder, isn't it? |
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rchristo10
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
Did you know that excessive use of ellipses is related to severe mental disturbance? I mention this in all seriousness. It's one to ponder, isn't it? |
And the proper place to ponder it! ... and... yeah...+...+...
I wonder what fear of PMing people would indicate? |
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rchristo10
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
Actually I do understand what you're saying, more commenting on the writing style which is a little...earthy. |
So you're admitting to being a liar? Or just pretentiously obtuse? I'm guessing a bit of both. I'm happy to see you've made it out of the denial stage though. Congrats!
Interesting to see how self-proclaimed intellects can turn such a tragic incident into their personal ammunition for unnecessary attacks and sad attempts at argumentation. |
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Steelrails
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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This is Asia, the most populated place on the planet. The life of an individual means nothing. Why do you think Koreans and Japanese are all too eager to find ways to kill themselves? The problems of one are pointless to the problems of the whole.
In the Korean war, China used to march thousands of unarmed "soldiers" into UN forces to be shot. They would just keep throwing people in front of their guns until they ran out of bullets. I kid you not, that was a real strategy.
In the West, we value the individual. Being single and unique is a goal and is to be celebrated. Not here. "The nail that stands out is the nail that gets hammered down."
There are many reasons I love Asia, but this isn't one of them. It's disgusting. It is truly horrific. Were it to have happened anywhere in the Western world, there would be massive outrage. The people responsible would probably be hunted down by angry hoards.
If nothing else, let this be a reminder and a motivator for Americans and everyone else, to never let China become anything more than a regional power with regional limits. Can you imagine a country like that having the power to wage war anywhere in the world it wanted to? Every conflict they would be involved in would put USSR and Nazi atrocities to shame. They care nothing for human life, not even their own. Therefor, they cannot be allowed to affect too much human life.
Say what you will about Americans. Spew every stereotype you've ever heard. But we send billions of dollars a year to build roads, schools, hospitals, and create a better life for those who need it. We send food, clothes, blankets, and shelter to any country that is affected by natural disaster. We are the first to do it and usually spend more than anyone else to do it. We send doctors and nurses around the world, for free, to care for the sick and the poor. We pressure drug companies to make their products free for the poorest of human beings who can't even afford food to eat.
China does almost none of that. China thinks of itself first and itself alone. Chinese that go abroad are there for selfish reasons. I know it got ripped on last time I posted a link from the Sankaku Complex. Yes there are lots of ads for hentail, but they regularly post stories like this that happen all the time in China. You would not believe some of the things that go on there that Western media never picks up and you never hear. Hands down, this is probably the worst, but there are other horrific things happening in that country daily.
China must never be allowed to become a super power. They must never be allowed to inflict their brand of morality on the masses. Whatever is the cost, we have to prevent the mindset that made this incident possible from being spread around the world. It is our duty as a democracy. It is out duty as moral persons. It is our duty has human beings. |
How old are you? like 22? |
Wow you're quite kind to him. I was thinking more like high school...still learning words like realism and liberalism and the like.
He sounds like I used to sound when in high school spewing realist/liberalism BuSiness...bet he even supported the Iraq war in the name of realism and the need to balance the collapse of the USSR post-Berlin Wall....all evinced by the inevitable 911 terrorist attack...and China's inability to become the opposing force. No wonder we don't need China to complete the bipolarity...we've got terrorism....right.....uhn...hunh....
17 tops! |
I did not support the Iraq war, I don't know where you're getting that from. I supported the war in Afghanistan, but have said clearly that it's time it came to and end. And the rest of your paragraph was a bumbling random string of words and letters with no coherent message.
I take the only part everyone had a problem with was the last paragraph? As everything else above that is fact. I know, some of you have problems with facts when they don't line up with what you believe. I've been watching China closely for years now, this is not the first time something like this has happened. It's daily there. You guys take one story and form you're whole opinion about a country from that. I'm not the only one that sees a moral, political, and economic reason to prevent China from growing too large. George Friedman is a noted global economist and security expert. He has advised presidents, prime ministers, and was personal adviser to president Clinton. He has published several works and taught at some of the countries top universities. Yes, he is smarter than you. He states unequivocally that China is not to be trusted and is to never let run wild on a global scale. A world where China has as much say in global affairs as the West does is a scary scary place to imagine.
But go ahead and brush it off. Continue to call me names. It amazes me that barely educated 20 somethings will shrug off the research and informed opinion of people who have spent their entire lives studying certain topics. Where's your book on China? Oh yeah, you don't have one? When was the last time you sat down with the president to advise him on a China strategy? Oh, you never have. |
You started this comment off with a bit of logic and I was making a stretch at guessing 20. But with all the boasting and caring on and the "I've been watching China closely," with likely no Mandarin/ Cantonese abilities and less than a year (or perhaps even a day) in China...I'm thinking 19 tops.
How do you know how smart other people are simply because they post on meaningless websites...many of your great politicians/ scholars/ and educated 50-somethings spend a great deal of their time watching porn, kiddo. And that's not to say that doing so makes them less intelligent.
My comment was because you still seem to be looking at political alignments like you're living in the 1940s. I love your Grand Strategy approach; it's so cute, and so off base with reality.
Anyways, apparently you see the death of many as more important than the death of a few. Needless to say, you clearly underestimate the impact the death of even one can have.
Jesus! How dense can a person be....hmmm....did he get it?....Jesus? hmmmm....perhaps not...Jesus...? Not to mention the countless other individuals that died in the East, creating massive waves...
Cut with the dichotomous, grand strategy formulations and perhaps you'd see the bigger pictures...a picture with individuals and the ability to empathize ,not just conceptualize.
hmmmm....George Friedman is...yet again...just an individual...perhaps if he were run over twice and ignored as you seem to suggest we're doing...you'd understand the illogical direction of your argumentation...but perhaps not. Jesus!
(In other words, it's not about China...Mr. Been-Watching-Closley-From-Miles-Away and Definitely-Not-Going-To-Join-The-Ranks-Of-"You guys [who] take one story and form you're [sic.] whole opinion about a country from that.") No wonder other countries look at scholars funny when they go spouting that they know why people swim by looking at the water. |
weos1 is saying borderline bigoted things, but the last half of your post is like "Yahoo Serious Film Festival" -I can read the words but they don't make any sense |
I'm sure they wouldn't to you Steelrails...I'd have to make them much more ironclad....crap...I edited it and resent but apparently it didn't go through...
anyways..if you understand the first half, then pipe up and let the last half fly...but considering how much you post...i'd assume that's an impossibility. |
Actually I do understand what you're saying, more commenting on the writing style which is a little...earthy. |
So you're admitting to being a liar? Or just pretentiously obtuse? I'm guessing a bit of both. I'm happy to see you've made it out of the denial stage though. Congrats!
Interesting to see how self-proclaimed intellects can turn such a tragic incident into their personal ammunition for unnecessary attacks and sad attempts at argumentation. |
Dude I agree with much of your post, there was just something a little odd about your writing style. Don't take it as an attack, the words were only in jest. |
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Leon
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| can you guys stop quoting all of each others posts please? Anyways sometimes I forget that China is mostly a third world country sometimes, so things like this serve as a quick reminder. |
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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Living here in China I can assure you that most people have the same reaction as all of you. They are horrified and angry. And they are angry about this issue in their own culture.
A few years ago in a highly publicized case, a Nanjing judge found a good Samaritan guilty of manslaughter. When half of the population lives on the edge of being destitute, they are not going to risk what little they have and the life of their families/children for a stranger. It is not that they don't care, but they are SCARED. As horrible as it is, it is self-preservation. I'm sure the people who walked past this child without helping did not know there was a camera on the situation.
People have no faith in the legal system here. They do not believe they will get a fair shake if they end up accused in a courtroom. This is what 60 years of totalitarianism has done. People have learned that the best way of surviving is to stay under the radar. It is easy to judge from the outside.
A few months ago a foreigner saved a man on the street and was hailed on the Chinese web as a hero and everyone spoke of how he put the cowardly Chinese people to shame (the unanimous words of the Chinese bloggers and commentors). Chinese people HATE these situations as much as you do. They are not immoral or heartless people.
The one silver lining about horrific incidents like this is that it is breeding a groundswell of change in China. Living here, I see how people are fed up with their own society being like this. They are angry about the unfairness of the legal system. They are angry about the gov't covering up and spinning incidents like the high-speed train crash a few months ago. This is NOT the old communist China (although the effects are still evident in situations like this). It is turbulent and interesting times on the mainland. |
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