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TheUrbanMyth
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http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/gadhafi_captured_wounded_in_both_legs_reports/73fbc6db
Gadhafi may have been captured...the Libyan war could be drawing to a close.
But then again...they suppposedly had his son...and we all know how that turned out.
Interesting nevertheless. Let's see if this one is confirmed.
Oh and Sirte has finally fallen...like I said not long ago, it was on the verge. |
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jrwhite82
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Adventurer
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A man who ended many people's life as a ruler of his country, Libya, has had his life ended by his own people. Muammar Qaddafi is no more. He was a fool. I figured his time was over last year. He and Mubarak couldn't see it. He could have escaped. He asked for war, and he got death. People die in war, Qaddafi.
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Yes, he's dead. I saw the video images of his bloodied corpse on Al Jazeera. It is clearly Qaddafi. |
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jrwhite82
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: |
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USA USA USA! 
(I kid, I kid) |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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The most complete account I've found so far is from Reuters:
Libya's Gaddafi caught hiding like a "rat"
Other government fighters who said they took part in Gaddafi's capture, separately confirmed Bakeer's version of events, though one said the man who ruled Libya for 42 years was shot and wounded at the last minute by one of his own men.
"One of Muammar Gaddafi's guards shot him in the chest," said Omran Jouma Shawan.
http://news.yahoo.com/libyas-gaddafi-caught-hiding-rat-164753890.html
In another article there is a picture of an 18-year-old, riding on someone's shoulders, waving around a golden gun; the article says he is the one who shot Qaddafi.
So details of the end are not clear yet, and maybe never will be.
Anyway, it's over. At heart, Qaddafi chose the Libyan version of 'suicide by cop' because he could have left the country at almost any time in the last 9 months. Sic semper tyrannis.
With luck, Libya will disappear from the news because it will be only going through the normal mundane process of governing itself. |
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ersatzredux
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="TheUrbanMyth"]
What exactly did you tell us?[\quote]
That it was a bullshit propaganda piece
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| To the best of my knowledge no excavation has been performed yet...so you might want to wait for actual proof before gloating. The rebels are reportedly waiting for foreign forensic specialists. |
To dig a hole? I doubt it. Get it through your head- it was propaganda like most of the garbage we have been reading about Libya. And all to justify the unjustifiable- premeditated mass murder. What we have done in Libya is precisely what they hung the Nazis for in Nuremburg. If we applied the same standard to us as them Obama, Sarkosky, Cameron, and even our own little imperialist wannabe Harper would have nooses around their neck. There is no warcrime greater than what we have done here.
The whole purpose of that article and all the other nonsense about Libyan mass graves has been to pump up the Nazi moral justification calculus (ie because they had concentration camps and gas chambers anything we did - including incinerating the populations of entire cities, was ok and even laudable in comparison).
We always invoke this type of calculus when intentionally committing war crimes and atrocities against other peoples (ie bombing Libya back into the stone age, wiping Sirte almost entirely off the map, etc, etc.) When the other side isn't horrific enough to justify the horrors we have inflicted the answer is easy - just make shit up. Once the war is over and the people who could contradict your narrative are dead (notice we don't like to do trials anymore), well, too bad. Once you've had the war what difference does it make if your rationale turns out to have been a pack of lies? Just ask George.
Whatever crimes Gaddafi has committed over his 42 year reign pale in comparison to what NATO and the motley group of royalists, Islamists and bought and paid for Western stooges have done to this country and the damage that will continue to be inflicted by the destruction of the state, the theft of its resources, and the enslavement of its population. In the end he will go down as a hero in Africa and our reputation will be just as sweet, as, say, Ghingis Khan's is.
Is there no lie too big, no atrocity too shocking, no hypocrisy too glaring for us to swallow? Apparently not. Hello Syria, Iran, and Lebanon- your days as organized and independent countries are numbered, and God knows who will be next after. Evil days indeed. |
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wintermute
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| To the best of my knowledge no excavation has been performed yet...so you might want to wait for actual proof before gloating. The rebels are reportedly waiting for foreign forensic specialists. |
To dig a hole? I doubt it. Get it through your head- it was propaganda like most of the garbage we have been reading about Libya. And all to justify the unjustifiable- premeditated mass murder. What we have done in Libya is precisely what they hung the Nazis for in Nuremburg. If we applied the same standard to us as them Obama, Sarkosky, Cameron, and even our own little imperialist wannabe Harper would have nooses around their neck. There is no warcrime greater than what we have done here. |
Precisely the same criminal act as the Nazis? So we committed industrialized genocide in Libya?
This proposition cannot be taken seriously.
Look, ersatz, do you have any evidence to back up your allegations? |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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That it was a bullshit propaganda piece
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This is bordering on trolling. More tired anti-Western, anti-American propaganda. Not worthy of a response.
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Kuros
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| Qadhafi killed in crossfire |
I believe this to be propaganda. The rebels most likely murdered him on the spot. |
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swinewho
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stilicho25
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Watched the video. Pretty ugly stuff. I have no problem with an execution, but a usually you have a trial first.
Still not much faith in the rebels. This looks more like the tape of Samuel Doe than the Nuremberg trials.
Don't get me wrong, I really do hope the new government is formed peacefully and the run libya well, I just have grave misgivings about what I have seen so far. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Qadhafi killed in crossfire |
I believe this to be propaganda. The rebels most likely murdered him on the spot. |
It may well be propaganda but it's not nearly on the same scale of offensiveness as ersatzredux's post. Probably contains more truth overall too. |
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wintermute
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"like a rat", "like a dog", "slinks", "cowers", "begs for his life", har har har...
Is that really necessary? Let's at least be gracious about it.
Reminds me of the photos of Saddams capture "in a hole". It turns out he was put in the hole for a photo op.
And if you are tempted to gloat, remember the civilians killed by airstrikes, and the fact that the future is far from certain. |
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bigverne
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| I really do hope the new government is formed peacefully and they run libya well |
Any precedents for this in the Arab world? Or will this bit of corrupt 'humanitarian' interventionism just result in putting another corrupt despot/bearded tyrant in power? |
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