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Another recruiter wants to know my age.
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FMPJ



Joined: 03 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
Juregen wrote:

Most hagwon owners don't have the TIME to build a credible image towards their community, most act like a hit and run system, and hope the ruse lasts long enough for them to fill their coffers.


Is that true of you or is there more to this story?


OH SNAP
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cincynate



Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: Jeju-do, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You believe wrong!! It's 60!!!!


The legal age when teachers may begin drawing from the national pension scheme is 55. That is why EPIK will not hire anyone over 55 years old.
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litebear



Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
Juregen wrote:

Most hagwon owners don't have the TIME to build a credible image towards their community, most act like a hit and run system, and hope the ruse lasts long enough for them to fill their coffers.


Is that true of you or is there more to this story?


Oooooooooooooooooooooooooft!!!! Very Happy
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:
While it may be illegal in North America to ask such a question in a job interview, many ESL recruiters abroad won't even consider an application without seeing a picture and personal details (including birth year) on your application. In all fairness, why would they waste their time promoting an applicant that may be past the age of retirement for the country they want to work in. I don't believe public schools through EPIK will employ anyone over 55 years of age because that is the age of retirement for public school teachers in Korea. It may be greater than 55 for hagwon/university positions.

You believe wrong!! It's 60!!!! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes






http://corporatesolutions.swisslife.com/etc/slml/slnw/obedl/1/200/353.File.tmp/Korea.pdf


The basic requirement for the old age pension is 20 years of service.


You can take early retirement at age 55 or full retirement at 60. However the retirement age is rising and in about 20 years from now will be capped at 65. In 2013 it will be 61 which is a year and a few months from now.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cincynate wrote:
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You believe wrong!! It's 60!!!!


The legal age when teachers may begin drawing from the national pension scheme is 55. That is why EPIK will not hire anyone over 55 years old.


I've known two teachers who were 56 and 58 respectively. This was 2008 BTW.

And it doesn't rely so much on the age it also relies on the years of service..read the link. The less years of service the less you get.

Plus you have to have contributed. A 55 year from another country just can't walk in and start withdrawing from the pension scheme.


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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:

You believe wrong!! It's 60!!!!

62 in fact.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes teachers are a bit different.


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To make space for young talented teachers, the retirement age for teachers was adjusted from 65 to 62 in the fall of 1998




http://education.stateuniversity.com/pages/1406/South-Korea-TEACHING-PROFESSION.html
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FMPJ wrote:
morrisonhotel wrote:
Juregen wrote:

Most hagwon owners don't have the TIME to build a credible image towards their community, most act like a hit and run system, and hope the ruse lasts long enough for them to fill their coffers.


Is that true of you or is there more to this story?


OH SNAP


A short blurb on TripAdvisor? Meh.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

morrisonhotel wrote:
Juregen wrote:

Most hagwon owners don't have the TIME to build a credible image towards their community, most act like a hit and run system, and hope the ruse lasts long enough for them to fill their coffers.


Is that true of you or is there more to this story?


Ha yes, criminal charges for libel are under way.

The person who left that slander left out of his own accord.

He was abusive to administrative staff, he treated individual students badly so they would leave the school. He asked for a new contract with a significant wage increase, three months before the contract was up, with the threat he would not return the next day, which he did. He attempted blackmail, of which you see one of the examples above.

I would love to discuss these issues in detail, or if you wish I could give you 4 or 5 e-mail addresses of other teachers who have worked here, and will easily undo the slander of above.

If you believe a message about abuse on a trip advisory board above directly confronting me with the issue, that is your problem. Unless you are of course the man in question ...

But thank you for digging it up, now I can show that this website indeed slanders my good name, and I can increase the pressure on his criminal charges.

As you see, I have nothing to hide, and no interest in curtailing information. I just did not feel discussing HR issues with former employees, since I believe most posters here would love to show the same amount of respect for their employers.
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Wildbore



Joined: 17 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Another recruiter wants to know my age. Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Illysook wrote:
"I know this is a very rude question" she said.

So WHY does she have to ask this ILLEGAL question?!!!

How can we teach schools and recruiters not to do this?


It is not an illegal question in South Korea.

Your not in Kansas anymore.


You run a Hagwon but you can't differentiate your and you're.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine there are quite a few people running hagwans in Korea who don't know the difference between your and you're. Laughing
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Illysook



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've learned that while it's not illegal to ask someone's age, it is illegal to deny someone employment for this reason. I've never lied about my age, but I'm thinking that if I did lie, by the time they look at my documents and found out the truth, it will be too late to deny me the particular job. However, I don't expect this to be necessary because I am trying to work with people that I know. It's more difficult but may yeild a more satisfactory result.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Illysook wrote:
I've learned that while it's not illegal to ask someone's age, it is illegal to deny someone employment for this reason. I've never lied about my age, but I'm thinking that if I did lie, by the time they look at my documents and found out the truth, it will be too late to deny me the particular job. However, I don't expect this to be necessary because I am trying to work with people that I know. It's more difficult but may yeild a more satisfactory result.



Well at least you have the wherewithal to admit you were wrong. And you're almost understanding at this point.

Your sentence should read "while it's not illegal to ask someone's age, it is illegal to deny someone employment solely for this reason.."
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, first of all, age matters in all work fields, everywhere.

Thats a fact of life. In some countries they push older applicants to the side with clever excuses or tactics in others they are more direct (Korea).

The ONLY way to avoid age being an issue when you look for work is to continuously improve your credentials and to network in order to gain contacts that can REFER you to jobs that will value your experience (there are many out there).

Also note that different countries have different MANDATORY RETIREMENT ages, this is typically in effect to allow younger workers access to the workplace. So if you are over the cut off age, you will have a damn hard time finding work and honestly, thats normal.

Recruiters WILL ask your age when you apply. Smarter recruiters will simply look at your CV and deduce your age from this and then will be sorry but unable to find a position that meets your requirements.

Another note to consider: employment streams.

If you apply through recruiters, it means you re using the main employment stream that caters to entry-level ESL jobs in Korea. That my friend puts you in competition with new grad applicants who will cost less and frankly may look more interesting as employees for many of the jobs offered through recruiters, ie assistant teacher in a PS.

By applying this way, you are basically selling yourself short and setting yourself up for failure.

You need to put yourself in an employment stream where you have the upper hand: jobs that look for experience and value it. You are older so I will assume you have experience in teaching or at least related to it, if not, well you are in a bad spot, sorry.
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