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Feloria
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 Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:25 am Post subject: Yue Yue-tragedy in China |
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That 2 year old little girl in China who was run over by 2 trucks and then ignored by 18 passers by.
I can't believe I just watched the entire video--I really wish I hadn't  |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:52 am Post subject: |
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Saw that on the news. Did NOT watch the video, no need for it, the story was sufficient in itself.
Horrible event...says a heck of a lot about human nature in general. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Saw that on the news. Did NOT watch the video, no need for it, the story was sufficient in itself.
Horrible event...says a heck of a lot about human nature in general. |
For the sake of argument Patrick......I don't know which fine Canadian ville is your home city, but I highly doubt that in my home city, Belfast, Northern Ireland, that 18 people would walk past a knocked down 2 year-old in the street.
Would that happen in your home town? A two year old seriously injured in the street?
I wouldn't say human nature in general. I don't think this would happen is societies that engender looking out for each other and caring about those who don't belong to you. I'd say it's something that happens in a society where people have lost a lot of compassion for those around them.
Now discuss the reasons why this happened in China. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Saw that on the news. Did NOT watch the video, no need for it, the story was sufficient in itself.
Horrible event...says a heck of a lot about human nature in general. |
For the sake of argument Patrick......I don't know which fine Canadian ville is your home city, but I highly doubt that in my home city, Belfast, Northern Ireland, that 18 people would walk past a knocked down 2 year-old in the street.
Would that happen in your home town? A two year old seriously injured in the street?
I wouldn't say human nature in general. I don't think this would happen is societies that engender looking out for each other and caring about those who don't belong to you. I'd say it's something that happens in a society where people have lost a lot of compassion for those around them.
Now discuss the reasons why this happened in China. |
Similar events (passing by a dying person) happened in large North american cities in recent years. The connection for me is the same: people do not want to bother with it or prefer to steer clear out of personal interest or fear.
In Toronto something along those lines happened to a man who got stabbed last year. It only made a local news report but he bled out as people litteraly walked around him.
Not debating this however, it is a sad event(s). |
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nukeday
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: |
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I agree with eamo's general vibe. I feel like there is a general lack of regard for human life in asia.
reminds me of that rich thai guy who, racing in his italian car, chopped a lao girl in half. zero remorse. After all, she was a poor piece of Lao crap. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
I agree with eamo's general vibe. I feel like there is a general lack of regard for human life in asia.
reminds me of that rich thai guy who, racing in his italian car, chopped a lao girl in half. zero remorse. After all, she was a poor piece of Lao crap. |
Human life may just be viewed differently in different places. You could also make the case that the general wealth of a country has an impact on how human life is viewed, that is poorer people living in say authoritarian states may just not care what happens to some stranger, they may be too busy trying to survive or just not wanting to get involved and risk sanctions for whatever reason.
The even in China was shocking and sad but this type of thing seems to happen everyday in so many places and many people hardly bat an eyelash. That is even sadder and a reflection of what human nature is or can be. |
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PeteJB
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| One can only aspire to be a 'better human' by fixing those problems, then. No use burying your head in the sand with the 'it's human nature' excuse. |
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Feloria
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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It's true--there are many factors to consider.
Ignoring ANYONE who is seriously injured is apalling.
However in my humble opinion, you can't compare ignoring an adult male who was stabbed (most likely by another adult male), to ignoring a completely innocent 2 year old girl who was run down and bleeding in the street. We can't say this is "human nature."
On the flip side:
I was reading that in China it is extremely common for "good samaritans" to be accused of inflicting the injuries to the people they are trying to help and sued for damages.
Of course this happens everywhere, but in China the burden of proof lies with the ACCUSED to somehow PROVE that they DIDN'T do it, not with the prosecution to prove that they did. There is no "reasonable doubt" aspect.
Unless there is CCTV footage showing everything, the good samaritan almost always has to pay.
And nothing happens to the person if they are caught lying.
There was a case where an old woman had fallen and appeared injured; a man helped her get to the hospital; she then said he pushed her down-a police report was filed; CCTV footage proved she was lying; she said "sorry" and that was the end of it.
How f'd up is that? |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't imagine people looking at a two year old lying in a pool of blood and thinking 'that kid might later testify that I attacked her, so I better not try to help.' Rather I think it's probably just a general reluctance to get involved in any possible unpleasantness/hassle. Understandable as someone said if you see an adult male in the same position - ask nurses how often they get attacked by people they are trying to help in A and E on a saturday night - but a two year old is less forgiveable. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| PeteJB wrote: |
| One can only aspire to be a 'better human' by fixing those problems, then. No use burying your head in the sand with the 'it's human nature' excuse. |
Just want to say, in case this was directed at me, that I do not claim human nature as an excuse but rather as an explanation of why certain things happen. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Feloria wrote: |
It's true--there are many factors to consider.
Ignoring ANYONE who is seriously injured is apalling.
However in my humble opinion, you can't compare ignoring an adult male who was stabbed (most likely by another adult male), to ignoring a completely innocent 2 year old girl who was run down and bleeding in the street. We can't say this is "human nature."
On the flip side:
I was reading that in China it is extremely common for "good samaritans" to be accused of inflicting the injuries to the people they are trying to help and sued for damages.
Of course this happens everywhere, but in China the burden of proof lies with the ACCUSED to somehow PROVE that they DIDN'T do it, not with the prosecution to prove that they did. There is no "reasonable doubt" aspect.
Unless there is CCTV footage showing everything, the good samaritan almost always has to pay.
And nothing happens to the person if they are caught lying.
There was a case where an old woman had fallen and appeared injured; a man helped her get to the hospital; she then said he pushed her down-a police report was filed; CCTV footage proved she was lying; she said "sorry" and that was the end of it.
How f'd up is that? |
there you go, social factors at play as well...which is kind of what I said in my post (different countries and conditions) but all of this does tie into human nature. Thats not reducing things or an excuse, but humans do behave in certain ways, this was one of them.
Side stepping a man who is bleeding after being stabbed is the same type of behavior that ignoring a 2 year old getting run over: fear of getting involved, self interest or lack of empathy. Sure the 2 year old posed no threat to anyone and the bleeding man may be perceived as dangerous by some but its the same type of reaction.
What is true is that life seems to have different value in different countries (as I said). This is horrible, sad and frustrating. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Somewhat of an update:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/stories/lady-who-helped-little-girl-run-over-by-van-rewarded-25k.html
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| The garbage scavenging ayi Chen Xianmei who saved the 2-year-old led has recently attracted the attention of the entire nation�s media, as well as the appreciation of Foshan, Guangzhou�s various government bureaus. Hundreds of domestic and foreign media rushed here to report on her. Her phone became a hotline, but she repeatedly said she does not want to be famous, and that her and her family�s lives have already been affected by the �assault� from the media. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
The connection for me is the same: people do not want to bother with it or prefer to steer clear out of personal interest or fear.
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Something similar happened to me last year. I was driving home late one night. About a block from my house, there was a woman staggering in the middle of the street, so I slowed down to a crawl as to not hit her. As I was about to pass her by, she just fell down in the middle of the road. I stopped and put on my blinkers so no one would accidentally run over her. However, I did not get out of my car because I started wondering if this was all a set-up of some kind or if I was going to get attacked because she was drunk, high or crazy. I called the police and waited for them to come. Even before they got there, the police operator told me to leave the area despite my protests, which I thought was strange, but maybe they had the same fears. About 30 minutes later, they called me to go back to the area and answer some questions for the police report. Turns out the woman was beat by her boyfriend and dumped out of a moving car, possibly hitting her head on the ground.
Obviously with hindsight I should/would have helped her. But in the heat of the moment, you do start to second-guess yourself about getting involved. |
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Feloria
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Madoka-
You called the police though, you didn't just leave her.
You did the right thing--who knows what could have happened had you not.
Good for you! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Madoka-
You called the police though, you didn't just leave her.
You did the right thing--who knows what could have happened had you not.
Good for you! |
Does anyone know if anyone in the China incident called the cops or the ambulance? I did not see this mentionned anywhere. |
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