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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Just like traditional historians and "Time" magazine, you guys are missing the point. God and billiards. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
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| China is a bubble. |
I don't think so.
Manufacturing and cheap labor makes a superpower. Like it did for Britain, Germany, USA, Soviet Union and Japan. ......
......plus, there are still billions more people on this planet who don't have the appliances and consumer goods that we in the developed world have. But they want them. And China can grow and grow by making them.
The only thing that might stop China will be the expected decline in oil production and the energy crisis that will doubtless follow. |
But they don't have the money to pay for them. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| eamo wrote: |
| weso1 wrote: |
| China is a bubble. |
I don't think so.
Manufacturing and cheap labor makes a superpower. Like it did for Britain, Germany, USA, Soviet Union and Japan. ......
......plus, there are still billions more people on this planet who don't have the appliances and consumer goods that we in the developed world have. But they want them. And China can grow and grow by making them.
The only thing that might stop China will be the expected decline in oil production and the energy crisis that will doubtless follow. |
But they don't have the money to pay for them. |
An ever increasing amount of these billions do have the money. And that number will not decrease if current patterns continue. The Chinese and Indian (and other developing countries) middle-classes grow by the millions every year and they want cars, large-screen TV's and double-width fridges.
I'm talking about the future, TUM. Not so much right now. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Gorf wrote: |
Good lord
Mods please nuke this thread or ship it off to Current Events where it deserves to fester with all the other crazies. |
This is hurtful - only most of us are crazy, the rest of us just have O.D.D. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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China is powerful because it makes the worlds cheap products, polluting and defiling their country (and surrounding ones eventually) ?
It takes more than simple industry to be a world empire... |
Well that's what the other ones did...Rape and pillage the lands and in the case of the other three, the people.
What do you think it was all 'innovation and intellectualism'? |
The industrial revolution in Europe and America required huge amounts of innovation and intellectualism. I don't think China has that. Fortunately the Chinese keep getting farther behind the west in the technological revolution. I don't think the world has anything to gain from China overtaking the west, and it should never be allowed. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| travel zen wrote: |
China is powerful because it makes the worlds cheap products, polluting and defiling their country (and surrounding ones eventually) ?
It takes more than simple industry to be a world empire... |
Well that's what the other ones did...Rape and pillage the lands and in the case of the other three, the people.
What do you think it was all 'innovation and intellectualism'? |
The industrial revolution in Europe and America required huge amounts of innovation and intellectualism. I don't think China has that. Fortunately the Chinese keep getting farther behind the west in the technological revolution. I don't think the world has anything to gain from China overtaking the west, and it should never be allowed. |
And huge amounts of slavery and conquest and killing of the heathens. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Gorf wrote: |
Good lord
Mods please nuke this thread or ship it off to Current Events where it deserves to fester with all the other crazies. |
This is hurtful - only most of us are crazy, the rest of us just have O.D.D. |
I don't understand how arrogance can arise on a chatboard and take itself seriously. As if off-topic were a land of scholars and cutting-edge innovation.
Back onto the topic. China has four times the people the US has. If they do not surpass the US eventually . . . then either the population ratio will have changed or China will be doing something dreadfully wrong. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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China's goal should be to cause enough global climate change to make colonizing Antarctica viable so they have the opportunity for expansion like European colonists and American frontiersmen did, if they really want to be a superpower.
You heard it here first! |
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WadRUG'naDoo
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Gorf wrote: |
Good lord
Mods please nuke this thread or ship it off to Current Events where it deserves to fester with all the other crazies. |
This is hurtful - only most of us are crazy, the rest of us just have O.D.D. |
Speak for yourself. Everyone should follow me and my beliefs for I am not cwazy and have never been diagnosed with O.D.D.
Have you tried the blueberry Kool-Aid? It rocks. |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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just read in my Bloomberg Business and thought of this Thread:
Average annual growth of China's GDP since 2001:
10.5%
Average annual growth of USA's GDP since 2001:
1.7%
first sentence of the Article pretty much sums it up..."It is a foregone conclusion that China's economy will become the biggest in th world sometime very soon." |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:43 am Post subject: |
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...Unless America accuses it of weapons of mass destruction...and bomb that crap out of it, and occupy it.
There will be War before China becomes too big for its breaches. Anyway, its economy doesnt make it a world power, it just manufactures stuff. Its armies stay in China, and its policy stays very regional......nothing much. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
...Unless America accuses it of weapons of mass destruction...and bomb that crap out of it, and occupy it.
There will be War before China becomes too big for its breaches. Anyway, its economy doesnt make it a world power, it just manufactures stuff. Its armies stay in China, and its policy stays very regional......nothing much. |
The US would lose that war. |
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2i2dk1ny2i3
Joined: 26 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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The US would lose that war. |
you would be wrong...imo
the US has always had a HUGE defense budget, the best trained forces from the Army all the way to Seals, Air Force, etc.
China, by sheer population has an advantage, but the US is still number one in military strength and actual combat experience
this has been shown in countries in the Middle East and Iraq where experience, skill, and weapon technology has trumped sheer population |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| 2i2dk1ny2i3 wrote: |
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The US would lose that war. |
you would be wrong...imo
the US has always had a HUGE defense budget, the best trained forces from the Army all the way to Seals, Air Force, etc.
China, by sheer population has an advantage, but the US is still number one in military strength and actual combat experience
this has been shown in countries in the Middle East and Iraq where experience, skill, and weapon technology has trumped sheer population |
No. The US could not attack and occupy China. No way.
There are 120 million Americans fit for military service. Draft half of them (or all the men). That's 60 million. Keep one out of six for home duty.
That's 50 million to occupy China, a country of 1.3 billion. Not enough. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| That's 50 million to occupy China, a country of 1.3 billion. Not enough. |
Its been done before, with much less technology and with a tenth of the troops.
Mongols, Manchus, Khitans in China and in India the British did a 'marvelous' job of control and exploitation with so very few. The Romans controlled time and again large numbers of tribes and peoples with a few legions.
Numbers have always counted for very little and in the modern world, practically nothing. |
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