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jamesd
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| FloridaGator314 wrote: |
| I wonder if the Japanese find it amusing how much they've gotten the Koreans to obsess over 2 meaningless rocks in the middle of the ocean. |
It's not meaningless. It's about fighting for and protecting jurisdiction of the internal waters and the territorial sea. Think of all the natural resources that Korea could lose if Japan took it over. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| FloridaGator314 wrote: |
| I wonder if the Japanese find it amusing how much they've gotten the Koreans to obsess over 2 meaningless rocks in the middle of the ocean. |
You wonder if the Japanese find it amusing that they were driven off these "2 meaningless rocks" at gunpoint? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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A student asked me if I'd been to uellong-do today and I admited no but that it looks gorgeous in photos and I would really like to visitit someday, which is true.
Another said 'no go to dokdo, very nice' etc..
I replied 'no it's just a small empty rock.'
He went very quiet.
Of course on the tourist pics they cover it with these cartoons that make it look like it's some sort of theme park lol. |
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bbud656
Joined: 15 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| The whole nationalistic, foaming at the mouth mentality over it is kind of pathetic. |
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sojusucks
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| jamesd wrote: |
| FloridaGator314 wrote: |
| I wonder if the Japanese find it amusing how much they've gotten the Koreans to obsess over 2 meaningless rocks in the middle of the ocean. |
It's not meaningless. It's about fighting for and protecting jurisdiction of the internal waters and the territorial sea. Think of all the natural resources that Korea could lose if Japan took it over. |
Yes, but it's thoroughly distracted Korea from attempting any kind of reparations over comfort women. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| jamesd wrote: |
| FloridaGator314 wrote: |
| I wonder if the Japanese find it amusing how much they've gotten the Koreans to obsess over 2 meaningless rocks in the middle of the ocean. |
It's not meaningless. It's about fighting for and protecting jurisdiction of the internal waters and the territorial sea. Think of all the natural resources that Korea could lose if Japan took it over. |
Yes, but it's thoroughly distracted Korea from attempting any kind of reparations over comfort women. |
Nope. Just last month they bought up the issue again.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/10/06/idINIndia-59741720111006 |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Whatever it takes to distract Koreans from their domestic problems.
Dokdo (read, hating Japan) is Korea's WMD and Al Qaeda. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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And for those who think the Japanese don't really care
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/09/116_95425.html
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It said that the Japanese Embassy�s political counselor Yamamoto Yasushi claimed that Tokyo made all-out-efforts to reach an agreement on a scientific survey in bilateral negotiations over the issue in early September.
Yasushi claimed that Japanese delegation spent �all summer preparing a telephone-book-size dossier backing up Japan�s legal right to conduct the surveys.� |
Yeah sure they don't care.
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Ullengdo is a nice trip. Dokdo is an hour there and back and you stay on the dock for 20 mins. I hope they don't cut out there other trips just for this one. My MS is going to Taiwan and the HS is going to Hong Kong this winter break. It would suck to trade a Dokdo trip for those. |
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whanous
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| And for those who think the Japanese don't really care |
The average Japanese person doesn�t care. They don�t use this issue to vilify all Koreans. They don�t use it to play on anti-Korean sentiments. That's the difference.
I don�t get it. The Japanese love Korea. They are always talking about how wonderful Seoul is, watching Korean dramas and listening to K-Pop. When Dokdo/Takeshima came up when I was talking to the staff at a high school, they were very reserved. They acknowledged that it was a complicated issue, and understood why both their governments were trying to make a claim. They did not bring up the fact that Koreans had forcibly removed Japanese from the islets and they did not in any way use the issue to degrade Korea or Koreans.
This sounds like an absurd political stunt. Imagine how many Japanese flags would be burned if the Japanese government announced that they were sending school students to Dokdo/Takeshima? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
Whatever it takes to distract Koreans from their domestic problems.
Dokdo (read, hating Japan) is Korea's WMD and Al Qaeda. |
This. Headline- "New Row Over Dokdo" Page A2- "Lee Myung Bak Slips Further in Polls, Deputy Finance Minister Resigns in Scandal"
If you ever get in an argument with a teacher and want to "win" the Dokdo argument, point out this. All of a sudden a light bulb will turn on. Most of the teachers here lean left of center and aren't too kindly disposed to 2MB. They'll still feel pretty strongly that the island belongs to Korea, but they'll be a bit more cynical about the governments motives and whatnot.
Sorta like Republicans who felt the need to fight the War on Terror, but were pretty cynical about how the Iraq War was going. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| whanous wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| And for those who think the Japanese don't really care |
The average Japanese person doesn�t care.
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Please don't state this as a fact without providing something to back it up.
While I am perfectly prepared to believe that many Japanese don't care or don't dislike Korea...many apparently do
http://sentaku.org/social/1000006258/
South Korea is the number 1 most disliked country coming in at 75% while both China and North Korea come in at under 10% (in both the 2008 and 2009 survey). |
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whanous
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Please don't state this as a fact without providing something to back it up. |
I lived there for 20 months. I gave an anecdote of how they talked about the issue in the school staffroom. Every time it came up (which I could count on one hand) I saw the same reaction.
So, I apologise. My evidence is only anecdotal. I should have prefaced it with "From my experience."
The average Japanese person doesn�t fill in an internet survey titled "嫌いな国は?" (Do you hate a country?)
The kind of person that would fill in that survey is a person with a bee in their bonnet (who may have just read a provocative article on Sentaku.org).
I would always be cautious of reading an internet poll. It doesn�t satisfy any of the requirements of a random sample.
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oldtrafford
Joined: 12 Jan 2011
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The rocks are meaningless but the territory is not. We had the same problem with the Spanish who kept infringing on our waters. It pissed off our fishermen no end.
If I was a Korean I wouldn't be too fussed on their Asian cousins the Japanese. Take a look in the history books, you'll see why. They still have a remembrance day for their all conquering ancestors.
Being British I'm not a fan of the French nor the Germans. Again take a look at the history books. You Yanks allegedly came under attack from a man in a cave, you've been at war ever since. Trillions of dollars later and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives later you're still at along with the spineless British gov. Don't be giving koreans hard time for not liking the Japanese, they suffered far greater than the Yankee doodles ever did or well unless of course China gets it way!!!  |
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