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hagwonnewbie



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject: LA Times story on US GI rape outrage Reply with quote

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/10/us-military-south-korea-status-of-forces-agreement-sofa-rapes-intenational-diplomacy.html

According to the story, public outrage is growing quickly
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Dave Chance



Joined: 30 May 2011

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised Question
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not really.

I have been getting a lot more shebal waygook type comments lately though.

This might have something to with it.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Seoul dance clubs once frequented by U.S. military now bar admission to American soldiers after concern expressed by female patrons, according to local press reports here. South Korea also created a task force to seek revisions to the Status of Forces Agreement, or SOFA, that governs the legal status of U.S. troops in South Korea and elsewhere.


As if this is a sudden development...
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Probably won't see much outrage about this case though....

Shoe, other foot and all that...


http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/society/society_general/501939.html
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US, unfortunately, has too many soldiers raping women. I am not saying that applies to the majority, but 1/3rd of US service women supposedly get raped, and there are allegations that not enough is being done to stop them. Personally, I think, though I am liberal, certain liberal capitalist forces in the media connected with some business interests have horribly damaged many young American men's views of women, and many men have lost their respect for women. Where did all the gents go? Also, feminism attacked the idea of being a gentlemen.
Something needs to change.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If 1/3 of military women were raped by military men, I wonder why there are so few incidents of rape amongst the military stationed in Korea? There are between 25k-30k soldiers I think. The number of alleged rapes is very very small given the numbers. Just intersting thats all.

Korean women being uneasy to be around military women has always been that way since I've been here. Its one of those stereotypes that is part of Korea. There seems to be a vilificatioin of American military when they are ever discussed amongst Koreans. So the fear gets perpetuated. Interesting thing is I taught once in a military town and the korean women who worked the bar where the miitary guys hung out preferred the military to the teachers once they got to know both sets. Logically it didn't make sense because at the time the miitary had a curfew and the girls had to leave by a cerain time and had the embarassment of having to be signed in by koreans at the gate. The teachers made more money had their own place. While the military often had shared housing for the privates. Their own bedroom but shared bathroom and kitchen areas. They typically stayed shorter than a year. However, the korean girls at the bar both bartenders and customers preferred them. Intersting.
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Los Angeloser



Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:
If 1/3 of military women were raped by military men, I wonder why there are so few incidents of rape amongst the military stationed in Korea? There are between 25k-30k soldiers I think. The number of alleged rapes is very very small given the numbers. Just intersting thats all.

Korean women being uneasy to be around military women has always been that way since I've been here. Its one of those stereotypes that is part of Korea. There seems to be a vilificatioin of American military when they are ever discussed amongst Koreans. So the fear gets perpetuated. Interesting thing is I taught once in a military town and the korean women who worked the bar where the miitary guys hung out preferred the military to the teachers once they got to know both sets. Logically it didn't make sense because at the time the miitary had a curfew and the girls had to leave by a cerain time and had the embarassment of having to be signed in by koreans at the gate. The teachers made more money had their own place. While the military often had shared housing for the privates. Their own bedroom but shared bathroom and kitchen areas. They typically stayed shorter than a year. However, the korean girls at the bar both bartenders and customers preferred them. Intersting.


It's because they don't have AIDS like English teachers. They are also less educated with better benefits.
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hagwonnewbie



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The type of women who go to bars usually don't want to have a conversation about literature.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hagwonnewbie wrote:
The type of women who go to bars usually don't want to have a conversation about literature.


Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Where are you from?
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hagwonnewbie



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from North America, however I reject the popular notion that pounding empty carbs, chain-smoking Camels and cruising the strip are the thing to do.
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.military.com/news/article/2011/us-soldier-confesses-during-trial-to-rape-of-s-korean.html?ESRC=army.nl
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Stout



Joined: 28 May 2011

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheet starts at the top-

http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/report-former-momsen-skipper-to-face-rape-sexual-assault-charges-1.158884

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan � The former skipper of the destroyer USS Momsen will face a court-martial Friday on charges that he raped and assaulted subordinates, according to a media report.

Cmdr. Jay Wylie will stand trial at Naval Base San Diego on one count of rape, two counts of aggravated sexual assault, two counts of abusive sexual contact, one count of sodomy, two counts of maltreatment, three counts of conduct unbecoming an officer and four counts of violating general orders, according to a Navy Times report attributed to a Navy spokesman.

In April, Wylie was relieved of duty for �loss of confidence in his ability to command stemming from allegations of misconduct,� Navy officials said at the time.
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northway



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hagwonnewbie wrote:
I'm from North America, however I reject the popular notion that pounding empty carbs, chain-smoking Camels and cruising the strip are the thing to do.


Yet plenty of conversations about literature (and politics, and religion, etc.) happen while partaking in all of the above.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stout wrote:
Sheet starts at the top-

http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/report-former-momsen-skipper-to-face-rape-sexual-assault-charges-1.158884

YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan � The former skipper of the destroyer USS Momsen will face a court-martial Friday on charges that he raped and assaulted subordinates, according to a media report.

Cmdr. Jay Wylie will stand trial at Naval Base San Diego on one count of rape, two counts of aggravated sexual assault, two counts of abusive sexual contact, one count of sodomy, two counts of maltreatment, three counts of conduct unbecoming an officer and four counts of violating general orders, according to a Navy Times report attributed to a Navy spokesman.

In April, Wylie was relieved of duty for �loss of confidence in his ability to command stemming from allegations of misconduct,� Navy officials said at the time.


http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/navy-commander-gets-prison-in-rape-of-2-female-officers-1.159101

3.5 years for raping two of your charges. Suppose it pays to be a commander of a ship.

A Navy ship commander pleaded guilty Friday to sexual assault and rape of two female sailors, and a military judge ordered his dismissal and sentenced him to more than three years in prison, The Associated Press reported.

Cmdr. Jay Wylie was given a 10-year term but will serve 42 months as part of a plea agreement, said Sheila Murray, Navy spokeswoman.
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