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UlsanBoy
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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 Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Come and listen to the best rock song ever. |
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Maybe the best rock band ever. They're at the top of my list, but that was one of the worst Stones song I've ever heard. Exile on Main St. is a must.
I think Bill Hicks said something along the lines of, "I picture nuclear war, the end of the world, and the only thing left on earth are bugs... and Keith Richards."
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| The strangest thing I�ve tried to snort? My father. I snorted my father. He was cremated, and I couldn�t resist grinding him up with a little bit of blow. My dad wouldn�t have cared, it went down pretty well, and I�m still alive. |
, said Keith Richards.
That's about that, as far as rocking $#*! is concerned. John Mayer, anyone? He's kewl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wlny7t_wps |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: |
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This was the end of the Stones' relevance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthRYIB91P8
It itself is a pale imitation of a band that could cut albums, and not songs, worth listening to.
But, as long as you started it, Ima dive in.
Beatles-13 albums in six years. Each progresses. The progression is so amazing that it may never be repeated. It goes from boy band to Lou Reed.
Stones-40+ albums-the more than half out of their classic era are irrelevant, and they tried but came nowhere near exploring the possibilities of the Beatles. They ARE the original rock n' roll bad boys. That ALSO means that they are primarily responsible for 80s hairband pap.
But no. The greatest rock band combined all of the goodness into one.
Led Zeppelin.
Let me explain:
1) The Zep lifted a lot from other people but didn't credit them, but the length and breadth of their output goes beyond the oft-cited lifted bits.
2) Outside of Keith Richards, it's hard to argue that either the Beatles or the Stones had anyone great in terms of musicianship. This is where Zeppelin dominates.
a) Robert Plant may be peerless in terms of best rock male vocalist of all time. Who has the pipes and range to equal him? Axl is the only successful vocalist who might compete, and GNR does not compete with Zep at all.
b) Jimmy Page is not as good as Jimi Hendrix. That's a fault that can't be compensated for. Jeff Beck might actually be a better guitarist, but if that's really true, Jeff Beck wouldn't know a hit if it a drove over him in a Mac truck while he played solo.
c) John Bonham's only equal is Keith Moon. Ringo and Charlie are competent, but what's memorable?
d) Zep's weakest link is John Paul Jones, and he's far from weak. He's simply playing a supporting role.
So, what do you get when you combine 3 gods of rock with one solid bass player?
Best rock band ever. 50% of their output was acoustic. They were amazing, and coda is their weakest link. they knew when the magic was over.
Mick and Keith keep churning it out. I wish they'd died before they got old. |
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jfromtheway
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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This was the end of the Stones' relevance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthRYIB91P8
It itself is a pale imitation of a band that could cut albums, and not songs, worth listening to.
But, as long as you started it, Ima dive in.
Beatles-13 albums in six years. Each progresses. The progression is so amazing that it may never be repeated. It goes from boy band to Lou Reed.
Stones-40+ albums-the more than half out of their classic era are irrelevant, and they tried but came nowhere near exploring the possibilities of the Beatles. They ARE the original rock n' roll bad boys. That ALSO means that they are primarily responsible for 80s hairband pap.
But no. The greatest rock band combined all of the goodness into one.
Led Zeppelin.
Let me explain:
1) The Zep lifted a lot from other people but didn't credit them, but the length and breadth of their output goes beyond the oft-cited lifted bits.
2) Outside of Keith Richards, it's hard to argue that either the Beatles or the Stones had anyone great in terms of musicianship. This is where Zeppelin dominates.
a) Robert Plant may be peerless in terms of best rock male vocalist of all time. Who has the pipes and range to equal him? Axl is the only successful vocalist who might compete, and GNR does not compete with Zep at all.
b) Jimmy Page is not as good as Jimi Hendrix. That's a fault that can't be compensated for. Jeff Beck might actually be a better guitarist, but if that's really true, Jeff Beck wouldn't know a hit if it a drove over him in a Mac truck while he played solo.
c) John Bonham's only equal is Keith Moon. Ringo and Charlie are competent, but what's memorable?
d) Zep's weakest link is John Paul Jones, and he's far from weak. He's simply playing a supporting role.
So, what do you get when you combine 3 gods of rock with one solid bass player?
Best rock band ever. 50% of their output was acoustic. They were amazing, and coda is their weakest link. they knew when the magic was over.
Mick and Keith keep churning it out. I wish they'd died before they got old. |
That's a pretty good analysis, Nowhere Man. I'm with you on most of your points, especially the Beatles ridiculous streak of standard-changing albums (they're my favorite band of all time).
However, the Beatles and Stones comparison isn't all that fair. Stones + Rock + time period = hair bands? Ouch. While the Beatles were definitely less instrumentally skilled compared to Led Zeppelin, they made up for it with melody, the ability to consistently create awesome standards from nothing, and their songwriting (though some of their songs are hokey). And Paul and George were very skilled musicians. Neither of them were tops in any category, but the Beatles just had that vibe before Yoko showed up, and the togetherness/drug experiences that seriously changed music as we know it. Unmatched to me.
I could go back and forth for days on this stuff, but I'm never at my computer all that much these days. I generally agree with you. John Bonham was ultimate, like his last day on earth. I take some issue with your John Paul Jones downgrading. All bassists play a supporting role, and he was an amazing bassist (Lemon Song solo halfway in? listen closely) and In Through the Out Door would have been a lot better if Plant hadn't put in his worst vocal performance ever.
But I'm pretty much agreeing with you. To this day, I say that I've never heard a "bad" Led Zeppelin song. They always took it to the house. Nevertheless, I'm more of jazz fan anyway, so I have an even deeper musical bias than this regarding individual instrumental skillmanship. Buddy Rich blows Bonham out of the water any day of the week.  |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
This was the end of the Stones' relevance:
a) Robert Plant may be peerless in terms of best rock male vocalist of all time. Who has the pipes and range to equal him? Axl is the only successful vocalist who might compete, and GNR does not compete with Zep at all.
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Ian Gillan, Ronnie James Dio (especially those Rainbow and Elf albums + 3 songs on Butterfly Ball), Rob Halford, Ray Gillen (first 2 Badlands records) etc 
Not knocking Plant though. The Principle of Moments is one of my top 10 records of all time. Damn. That album is 28 years old.  |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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d) Zep's weakest link is John Paul Jones, and he's far from weak. He's simply playing a supporting role.
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Sorry, but he is the musician of the band.
Page was sloppy, Bonzo, the most influential drummer in music, but still not a musician he was a drummer. Jones wrote most of the riffed based songs and played the piano, organ, and some other odd instruments.[/quote] |
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morrisonhotel
Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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d) Zep's weakest link is John Paul Jones, and he's far from weak. He's simply playing a supporting role.
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Sorry, but he is the musician of the band.
Page was sloppy, Bonzo, the most influential drummer in music, but still not a musician he was a drummer. Jones wrote most of the riffed based songs and played the piano, organ, and some other odd instruments. |
+1.Couldn't agree more. |
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thrylos
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Who is the drummer in this vid of Hey Joe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjwMxccsZc
Whoever, I'd argue he's a match for Keith Moon/Bonham. To me Keith Moon particularly seems overly intrusive and athletic.
I'm a fan of all of these groups but I need to be especially rested before I can get in the mood for Led Zep.
An artist's lesser technical dominance does not mean lesser genius as well. Charlie Watts' drumming is extremely disciplined and exactly suited to the rythym and blues of the stones.
After all these years I have still not heard the equal of Bill Wyman's bass play.
The album "get yer ya yas out" captures the essence of the stones best, in my opinion. |
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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I'm with Nowhere on pretty much everything.
Except, I think Bonham is the greatest of all time.
Beatles were ahead of their time.
Stones churned out quite a bit. I like 'em.
But LZ happened upon their style of rock
after the blues thing didn't work out for their markets.
Money.
'In the Light' - my top song. |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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led zep are my favorite band of all time but robert plant is surpassed by paul rogers from free.
awesome singer |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Come and listen to the best rock song ever. |
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| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElOXKt0v7-A&list=FLDfeEjQDEujTFzf6wKwhe_w&index=69&feature=plpp_video |
The chorus sounds extremely similar to KD Lang's 'Constant Craving'. |
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hwa jang shil
Joined: 20 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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That's bloody awful, the Stones died when Brian was found floating in his pool.
Led zep, Beatles etc all pale in comparison to The Small Faces who were the dogs bollocks! |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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d) Zep's weakest link is John Paul Jones, and he's far from weak. He's simply playing a supporting role.
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Sorry, but he is the musician of the band.
Page was sloppy, Bonzo, the most influential drummer in music, but still not a musician he was a drummer. Jones wrote most of the riffed based songs and played the piano, organ, and some other odd instruments. |
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You listened to Them Crooked Vultures' album? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: |
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The Stones rock, end of.
I like Zepplin too, but would take the raunchy blues of Mick over Plant's falsetto and mysticism and the less showy, more raw guitar of Kieth over Paige if pushed.
Each to their own, both are great bands.
Doubt it could be arguet that the Stones don't / didn't put on a superior concert performance however. |
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