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[Dave Chance]

Come on, we all know it's the Stones, they blew the door down to begin with.

When the Beatles were like wanting to hold someone's hand, Mick and the boys were already on the way to Satisfaction.

Jumpin' Jack Flash, Gimme Shelter, et al....bottom line, without the Stones, Zep never sees the light of day.

[Nowhere Man]

Lovin' all of the commentary here


Vocalists

Dio has got the pipes, but it's a nickel-sized slot of music he was involved in.

Roger Daltry would be my second to Plant.

I'm curious as to how a vocalist can be described as sloppy.

Bassist

I think this is pretty tricky, and it comes down to being a disciplined rhythm section vs. showing off.

I'm not a huge Primus fan, but Les Claypool takes bass to another level a la Bonham drumming. Bootsy Collins gets much respect here (but charts miserably if you go look at magazines). Flea deserves a mention.

That brings us to Drums

As I understand, Ringo was permanently doomed because he's left-handed but plays on right-aligned drums. He tosses off amazingly effortless fills, but it's clearly a matter of discipline and a supporting role. Charlie Watts is pretty much the same.

There's a reason why Bonham resurfaces after his death on the Beastie Boys' first album.

It's because he is off-the-hook, the most insane drumming force ever unleashed on this planet.

And, to layer things, I'd put Ginger Baker second.

As for that Hendrix video, I have to assume that's Mitch Mitchell, highly worthy of competition with the Stones/Beatles

Overall

My apologies for degrading John Paul Jones. It's well worth pointing out his George Martinesque additions beyond bass. AND, he was a member of the band proper.

Small Faces-have a catalogue so small that it's hard to compare them. Same for Free.

I started out favoring the Stones, but that was when I was listening to compilations. "Hot Rocks" blows away the Beatles red and blue albums. But, if you start looking at albums, the Beatles do not have throw-away tracks on any of their albums (except perhaps Revolution #9, a single song). By comparison, you get, quite literally, "Turd on the run". Even from their greatest days, Stones albums still have a lot of chaff. The Zep is solid until it eventually gets uneven on In Through the Out Door, then dies spectacularly on Coda, and Bonzo follows suit.

Now, where the Beatkes have a leg up is their post-band offerings. Lennon does amazing things with Double Fantasy and Plastic Ono, Paul does OK with Wings, Ringo makes some pretty pedestrian stuff, but George Harrison comes into his own solo.

the Stones, comparatively, stay together, finish their classic stint with Some Girls, then reveal what will come for the next 30 years with everything on Tattoo You that's not She was Hot and Under Cover of the Night.

Plant does an embarrassing stint with the Honeydrippers, does OK solo stuff, then improves with Page/Plant alternative versions on their earlier successes.

Maybe that's what the Stones should've done.

Live

And lastly, I have to argue that this is where Zeppelin shines.

The Royal Albert Hall footage showcases their awesomeness in a way that no Beatle or Stone footage can compare to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu3FuEiopJ0

A couple of comments on that:

1) Plant on vocals- A big complaint vis a vis live vs studio recordings is when live vocalists can't measure up to their studio recordings. And, alternatively, Stevie Nicks blew her vocal chords out singing Rhiannon on tour. Plant is not holding back anything here.

2) Here you have the loud/quiet/loud model that would be subsequently embraced by the Pixies, then Nirvana, then the White Stripes, and so on...

It seems it's always cool to be quoted as a Beatles fan, but a Zeppelin fan?

Plus, it goes beyond Zeppelin inspiring the 80s hard rock.

3) And there's this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XnQ5kKmOro

[Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida]

[Joe Boxer]

[young_clinton]

[schwa]

Further on this tangent, k.d. lang (insistently lower case) is genius. I've seen her live in small clubs & she's totally amazing. Her "Constant Craving" video deservingly won awards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXqPjx94YMg&ob=av3e

Back to rock though, I vote Led Zeppelin's debut album as the pinnacle. It hasnt lost anything over the years. Give it a re-listen. Tell me this isnt greatness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIQMktyP90s&feature=relmfu

[ricochet]

just listen...oh, and, wait for the ricochet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oovbKFWf9qU&feature=related

[schwa]

Another great rocker still going strong: Neil Young. I think just about every big name in the industry has stood up to play with him. Listen to what he's doing now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUGej_ofcAQ&feature=relmfu a one-man rock band! With the inimitable Daniel Lanois producing.

[ricochet]

oh my...dont go there, schwa, my old cyber-buddy...how bout this one, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gKwjxF7ilI

dude? its only the masters...

[Unposter]

No question Led Zeppelin rocks, well does rock-blues, maybe better than any other musical artist, but they don't have any one single song than holds a candle to the great singles of the Beatles, and don't even get me started with Stairway to Heavon or All of My Love. Even the Rolling Stones, in their hay-day, put out some of the best songs ever written (Satisfaction, Sympathy for the Devil to name just a few). But, their whole career, they ended up just chasing the Beatles.

The Beatles did more to change pop music than any other single group bar none and each of the Beatles were very talented in their own right. I know you can laugh at Ringo Starr, he is a funny guy, but name a drummer that had as big of a solo career as Ringo Starr - maybe Phil Collins but he was more of a front man than Ringo could ever imagine himself to be.

There might not of been any Led Zeppelin if it had not been for the Beatles and how they changed pop music.

And, if you really want to talk about musicians, I cannot believe people haven't mentioned the Pink Floyd yet. Yes, THE Pink Floyd. Talk about your innovators. They really brought artistry into the popular music of the day.

There is no question the Who rocked. They were the prototype for Led Zeppelin. I mean Led Zeppelin was trying hard to be the Who. You all need to give a tip of the hat to history to all the bands that made such things possible.

Anyway, God Save British Rock!!!

[Dave Chance]

[Old fat expat]

all those groups are great.

kinda weird arguing who is 'the best'

And by definition of music as art, how could everyone agree anyway?

each of them is the best in their own right. I love them all.

Really love the comments regarding appreciation though

Peace out bro

[shifty]

[Stout]

[Gorf]

I think you're a little confused: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWME1zwJXO4&feature=related