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noobteacher
Joined: 27 Nov 2009
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| The "competition" seems to get tougher every year. Having an MA diploma in hand is an important link to making your uni job search easier, and most of the ads that I've seen lately are now requiring at least a couple of years teaching (preference for uni teaching) on top of the MA, which kicks the difficulty up another notch. BUT, its important to remember that there are many other factors that are just as important. Luck, looks, location, and being in the right place at the right time can be just as critical as the almighty MA degree. If you want the job, put yourself out there and go for it. There's no harm in giving it the good ol' college try! |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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...just can't imagine why some guys can't get it into their thick skulls that just because someone speaks in favour of a particular course it does not mean they have a commercial interest in promoting it.
Oh the shame of it all |
Wow, my first internet stalker. Yes Cosmic I did say that back in 2010 when I was a CELTA tutor and as now I still don't have a commerical interest in promoting it. Believe it or not (as people are always banging on about the cost) running a CELTA doesn't make a lot of money compared to other enterprises. I'm not responsible for drumming up business for the courses either and frankly couldn't care less whether they run or not. I'm contracted to do them when they do but they're pretty full on and I can make more money and have more free time when they don't. I'm not going to tell people it's a crap course so I can have an easier life, however, because I think it's a good one. |
hmm...my apologies for this post in advance.
Not to dive too deeply into past discussions ...but...
Not all that long ago there were some threads about celta...and a few comments were made to Ed (and others) that those who were advocating the celta (Ed & other cheerleaders), usually did so because they often had some hidden agenda or financial gain at stake.
And good old Ed said he had no stake in it at all and hurled some nice insults around to have some fun at the same time.
But here we have it that not only did he have a stake in it...but a very obvious financial stake...and has had for many years now.
Hence the, 'Oh the shame of it all' comment.
�good on anyone for making money when they can. Few people would begrudge a guy making an extra buck in a legitimate enterprise.
But the obvious agendas tend to be a bit tiresome.
Anyway, I have no doubt that he takes his job quite seriously, and it shows in his post history�not stalking�just a good memory.
By the way...Ed is one of the more intelligent posters here at Dave�s...though quite likely he is not so fond of yours truly.
Anyway...on with the thread....go cheerleaders. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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hmm...my apologies for this post in advance.
Not to dive too deeply into past discussions ...but...
Not all that long ago there were some threads about celta...and a few comments were made to Ed (and others) that those who were advocating the celta (Ed & other cheerleaders), usually did so because they often had some hidden agenda or financial gain at stake.
And good old Ed said he had no stake in it at all and hurled some nice insults around to have some fun at the same time.
But here we have it that not only did he have a stake in it...but a very obvious financial stake...and has had for many years now.
Hence the, 'Oh the shame of it all' comment.
�good on anyone for making money when they can. Few people would begrudge a guy making an extra buck in a legitimate enterprise.
But the obvious agendas tend to be a bit tiresome.
Anyway, I have no doubt that he takes his job quite seriously, and it shows in his post history�not stalking�just a good memory.
By the way...Ed is one of the more intelligent posters here at Dave�s...though quite likely he is not so fond of yours truly.
Anyway...on with the thread....go cheerleaders. |
I said I didn't have a commerical interest in the CELTA back then and I don't have one now. I'll make it clearer if you want and say I don't give a monkey's whether people reading these boards decide they want to do a CELTA or not. In fact I'd probably prefer it if they didn't as that'd be fewer people getting qualfications for the kind of job I might want to apply for in the future. You can believe me or not, I don't give a monkey's about that either.
The arguments we had before about the CELTA were based on whether it was useful or not and I'd stil argue that it is the best practical course around for people starting out in TEFL and I personally wouldn't employ anyone to teach EFL without one (or its equivalent) |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:55 am Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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hmm...my apologies for this post in advance.
Not to dive too deeply into past discussions ...but...
Not all that long ago there were some threads about celta...and a few comments were made to Ed (and others) that those who were advocating the celta (Ed & other cheerleaders), usually did so because they often had some hidden agenda or financial gain at stake.
And good old Ed said he had no stake in it at all and hurled some nice insults around to have some fun at the same time.
But here we have it that not only did he have a stake in it...but a very obvious financial stake...and has had for many years now.
Hence the, 'Oh the shame of it all' comment.
�good on anyone for making money when they can. Few people would begrudge a guy making an extra buck in a legitimate enterprise.
But the obvious agendas tend to be a bit tiresome.
Anyway, I have no doubt that he takes his job quite seriously, and it shows in his post history�not stalking�just a good memory.
By the way...Ed is one of the more intelligent posters here at Dave�s...though quite likely he is not so fond of yours truly.
Anyway...on with the thread....go cheerleaders. |
I said I didn't have a commerical interest in the CELTA back then and I don't have one now. I'll make it clearer if you want and say I don't give a monkey's whether people reading these boards decide they want to do a CELTA or not. In fact I'd probably prefer it if they didn't as that'd be fewer people getting qualfications for the kind of job I might want to apply for in the future. You can believe me or not, I don't give a monkey's about that either.
The arguments we had before about the CELTA were based on whether it was useful or not and I'd stil argue that it is the best practical course around for people starting out in TEFL and I personally wouldn't employ anyone to teach EFL without one (or its equivalent) |
To suggest that you don't have a commercial interest in celta, when you are making money from it, is a wee bit disingenuous to say the least.
But duly noted, you don't care.
And even though others may care - again, duly noted...you don't care about that either.
The disagreements we had about the celta threads were not at all about how useful it was. They were about the nauseatingly shameless promotion of the course...and the reasons why certain posters were cheerleading about it...and as predicted then...there were hidden agendas and money to made from such shameless promotion...which is why it was brought to attention.
Whether you care or not...some of us do care about the integrity of the information being shared.
As to whether or not the celta is a good course...never been an argument there...it is a good course and it (and its equivalents) are useful to have in the field of EFL. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| And even though others may care - again, duly noted...you don't care about that either |
Don't twist my words. I said I don't care whether you believe me when I said I wasn't and am not commercially interested in the CELTA.
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and as predicted then...there were hidden agendas and money to made from such shameless promotion...which is why it was brought to attention.
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I really don't get this part at all and didn't get it back when people were arguing in 2010. What hidden agendas and money to be made? What are you on about? Do you think Cambridge, one of the largest examinations providers in the world, pay commission to people to go on websites like Dave's cafe and write posts about how everyone should do the CELTA. Do you really think that's how they operate? If not, how else am I supposed to be making money on the side arguing pointlessly with people on the internet? As I tried to say earlier I don't make any money directly from Cambridge either. I get a fixed salary from an organisation which has nothing to do with Cambridge and if CELTA ceased to exist tomorrow I would continue to get the same salary.
One of the reasons why I got annoyed with those anti-celta guys last time was they were pig-headedly sticking with their beliefs that Cambridge were like some kind of religious sect trying to brainwash people into following their doctrine. It was ridiculous. In fact they just didn't want to fork out 2.4 million won or take a month off work and were desperately trying to find a reason to justify it to themselves. And why would I have any actual interest in trying to get people like that to do a CELTA in Korea when I might be their tutor? They are the last kind of people a tutor wants on a course.
You know maybe people were 'cheerleading' and 'nauseatingly shamelessly promoting the course' as you put it, last time just because they thought it was a good course and people should do it. There isn't always a cynical reason for everything. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:45 am Post subject: |
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hmm...you are a tutor/trainer for celta...but somehow don't have anything to do with Cambridge?(or with a company sponsoring the celta course...who is authorized by Cambridge to do so.)
A celta centre receives upwards of $25,000 for teaching 12 students during one celta course...and when you are a trainer, you receive none of that money?
Interesting.
Some trainers who teach the celta course actually get paid extra to teach it....from their Cambridge approved trainer center.
If the courses don't get enough students, the courses get cancelled...or postponed until a later date.
The trainers forego the extra money they could have made if they had been able to teach the course.
The same with testing IELTS and such...extra work...extra money.
They can make some pretty good coin....say for example...summer and winter sessions...if the courses run.
Of course they get paid their regular salary if the courses don't run.
They teach their regular classes and carry on.
This is a no-brainer.
But they do get paid extra when they do run.
Which is how some people think there are hidden agendas when all the celta advertising starts popping up.
So there is a bit of confusion here.
However, this type of confusion happens at universities as well.
Some people get paid extra for teaching winter and summer courses...nice paychecks twice a year.
Some people don't get paid extra...they are mandatory...not so nice.
But...from your own admission.
You don't get paid extra from teaching the celta.
You are a celta tutor/trainer that doesn't get paid extra for teaching the course.
You get a fixed salary from an organisation the has nothing to do with Cambridge...but yet somehow you are still a celta tutor trainer.
Just seems a bit odd. |
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Carbon
Joined: 28 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
hmm...you are a tutor/trainer for celta...but somehow don't have anything to do with Cambridge?(or with a company sponsoring the celta course...who is authorized by Cambridge to do so.)
A celta centre receives upwards of $25,000 for teaching 12 students during one celta course...and when you are a trainer, you receive none of that money?
Interesting.
Some trainers who teach the celta course actually get paid extra to teach it....from their Cambridge approved trainer center.
If the courses don't get enough students, the courses get cancelled...or postponed until a later date.
The trainers forego the extra money they could have made if they had been able to teach the course.
The same with testing IELTS and such...extra work...extra money.
They can make some pretty good coin....say for example...summer and winter sessions...if the courses run.
Of course they get paid their regular salary if the courses don't run.
They teach their regular classes and carry on.
This is a no-brainer.
But they do get paid extra when they do run.
Which is how some people think there are hidden agendas when all the celta advertising starts popping up.
So there is a bit of confusion here.
However, this type of confusion happens at universities as well.
Some people get paid extra for teaching winter and summer courses...nice paychecks twice a year.
Some people don't get paid extra...they are mandatory...not so nice.
But...from your own admission.
You don't get paid extra from teaching the celta.
You are a celta tutor/trainer that doesn't get paid extra for teaching the course.
You get a fixed salary from an organisation the has nothing to do with Cambridge...but yet somehow you are still a celta tutor trainer.
Just seems a bit odd. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Basically the guy is a director at a university. And he's saying he doesn't see the point of formal qualifications. Not having a go at you I'm With You but he sounds like an idiot |
The question isn't "how can someone get a job working at a respectable university with high standards even if they don't have an MA". I don't think it is, anyway. There are plenty of universities in Korea with low standards that are run by morons. No point in ignoring that, especially since as an under-qualified applicant that's your target market.
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I am not sure what percentage of applicants lacked an MA out of the 300 who applied recently, but it may be refreshing for some to know that we did hire some non-MA's in the past few years. How does that happen? It happens when the top people that get the job bolt a month after interviews are completed. You'd think they would just call alternates, and sometimes they do in this case, but often they have already found jobs as well. This is where a BA can squeak in and get something at the last minute |
That's how I got my job. I read about this strategy on Daves a few years ago and decided to give it a try. It worked.
I think Ed's point was that teaching the CELTA course is really hard work (having taken it, I'd never want to teach it) and doesn't pay much more than other overtime options. It's a good course, but if it didn't run he'd just do something else.
I'd expect that there are more than enough applicants for the limited spots available that there is no need to advertise for the CELTA in Korea anyway. |
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