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fermentation
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Be careful what school you go to for kickboxing or any style for that matter.
the school i have stopped going to has some problems. Namely the student who has been there the longest some korean kid in his 20's has issues with his attitude and cockiness. Im sure this is common practice but when he goes sparring with anyone he quickly loses control and the owner of the gym just watches. Case in point, he lost his cool with me and I showed him that i can hold my own.
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I'm not sure how it is with kickboxing, but if it were boxing, you have to make sure who the trainer is. Often times, gym owners are just that, gym owners. This is more true in the US than Korea but still, some trainers use a gym to train their fighters. A fighter going off like a douche is reflection on the trainer as well as the fighter himself.
Most places should have an authority figure (gym owner/trainer) to check over aggression, because its just not good gym etiquette. A guy who tries to KO his sparring partners will soon find himself without sparring partners. That kind of stuff doesn't go forgotten.
Also, some gyms have a different culture of sparring. Most boxing gyms spar pretty damn hard. Regular sparring at my gym means cracking the guy but not going in for the kill when he's hurt. There's a mutual understanding amongst fighters that's what happens when you spar with fighters. But it's a little different for beginners and pure hobbyists.
Not saying you're wrong, but there is a possibility that there was a misunderstanding of how hard you're supposed to go. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
Be careful what school you go to for kickboxing or any style for that matter.
the school i have stopped going to has some problems. Namely the student who has been there the longest some korean kid in his 20's has issues with his attitude and cockiness. Im sure this is common practice but when he goes sparring with anyone he quickly loses control and the owner of the gym just watches. Case in point, he lost his cool with me and I showed him that i can hold my own.
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I'm not sure how it is with kickboxing, but if it were boxing, you have to make sure who the trainer is. Often times, gym owners are just that, gym owners. This is more true in the US than Korea but still, some trainers use a gym to train their fighters. A fighter going off like a douche is reflection on the trainer as well as the fighter himself.
Most places should have an authority figure (gym owner/trainer) to check over aggression, because its just not good gym etiquette. A guy who tries to KO his sparring partners will soon find himself without sparring partners. That kind of stuff doesn't go forgotten.
Also, some gyms have a different culture of sparring. Most boxing gyms spar pretty damn hard. Regular sparring at my gym means cracking the guy but not going in for the kill when he's hurt. There's a mutual understanding amongst fighters that's what happens when you spar with fighters. But it's a little different for beginners and pure hobbyists.
Not saying you're wrong, but there is a possibility that there was a misunderstanding of how hard you're supposed to go. |
I grew up holding my own and all, and when i trained in different gyms and dojangs there was the rule of hold your own, but also control your own. Basically you respected your sparring partner enough that you didnt beat the crap out of him and vice versa. I agree that it comes back on the trainer as well. However this senior student took it upon himself to go harder and in a clinch tried to push my head down with much more force than neccessary, thats when i threw him across the ring and was like chill out (i can speak korean enough to the point of letting someone know to relax and then some lol) I also am not a beginner in martial arts having devoted over 13 years. This guys problem was not misunderstanding, he is a show off and the coach/trainer just watched and then after it was over was like "oh you alright?" my response was im fine but he needs to seriously relax and control himself. The coach was like "yeah maybe so." The thing i found to be the most amusing was the coach told me to go light but the other guy quickly lost it. Im not saying im great or super but had i gone as hard as he had, i would have knocked him out. Then after it was all over when i tried to shake hands as a mutual respect, he scoffed at me. Thats what ultimately made me realize that this guy and gym were NOT what i wanted. |
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seoultee
Joined: 11 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| shinjin wrote: |
seoultee,
No branches in Busan that I know of. The only pure BJJ gym I'm aware of is Dongcheon Baeksan (Tozi BJJ): http://www.koreabjj.com/. However, I'm sure there are others. |
Does anyone know if there are others? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
I grew up holding my own and all, and when i trained in different gyms and dojangs there was the rule of hold your own, but also control your own. Basically you respected your sparring partner enough that you didnt beat the crap out of him and vice versa. I agree that it comes back on the trainer as well. However this senior student took it upon himself to go harder and in a clinch tried to push my head down with much more force than neccessary, thats when i threw him across the ring and was like chill out (i can speak korean enough to the point of letting someone know to relax and then some lol) I also am not a beginner in martial arts having devoted over 13 years. This guys problem was not misunderstanding, he is a show off and the coach/trainer just watched and then after it was over was like "oh you alright?" my response was im fine but he needs to seriously relax and control himself. The coach was like "yeah maybe so." The thing i found to be the most amusing was the coach told me to go light but the other guy quickly lost it. Im not saying im great or super but had i gone as hard as he had, i would have knocked him out. Then after it was all over when i tried to shake hands as a mutual respect, he scoffed at me. Thats what ultimately made me realize that this guy and gym were NOT what i wanted. |
that's weird. Yeah a lot of gyms go hard, some at the world class level do have guys KOing partners during sparring, but such an understanding should've been communicated before hand. Also the coach shouldn't tell one person to go light and turn a blind eye on the other unless the person going light is levels beyond better. Even if they were going hard, no reason to act like a douche afterwards. You should've knocked him around. Its one thing to suffer such treatment as a career fighter who's getting paid to spar, but another thing entire for a hobbyist. Can't bring in customers if you beat them up and treat them like crap. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
I grew up holding my own and all, and when i trained in different gyms and dojangs there was the rule of hold your own, but also control your own. Basically you respected your sparring partner enough that you didnt beat the crap out of him and vice versa. I agree that it comes back on the trainer as well. However this senior student took it upon himself to go harder and in a clinch tried to push my head down with much more force than neccessary, thats when i threw him across the ring and was like chill out (i can speak korean enough to the point of letting someone know to relax and then some lol) I also am not a beginner in martial arts having devoted over 13 years. This guys problem was not misunderstanding, he is a show off and the coach/trainer just watched and then after it was over was like "oh you alright?" my response was im fine but he needs to seriously relax and control himself. The coach was like "yeah maybe so." The thing i found to be the most amusing was the coach told me to go light but the other guy quickly lost it. Im not saying im great or super but had i gone as hard as he had, i would have knocked him out. Then after it was all over when i tried to shake hands as a mutual respect, he scoffed at me. Thats what ultimately made me realize that this guy and gym were NOT what i wanted. |
that's weird. Yeah a lot of gyms go hard, some at the world class level do have guys KOing partners during sparring, but such an understanding should've been communicated before hand. Also the coach shouldn't tell one person to go light and turn a blind eye on the other unless the person going light is levels beyond better. Even if they were going hard, no reason to act like a douche afterwards. You should've knocked him around. Its one thing to suffer such treatment as a career fighter who's getting paid to spar, but another thing entire for a hobbyist. Can't bring in customers if you beat them up and treat them like crap. |
Haha yeah i did, but i still kept myself composed and collected while sparring. After he acted like a douche when i tried to shake him hand, i told him "next time try harder because i only used 10%. Take care" While i met it whole heartedly because i like sparring, i knew it pissed him off and i felt guilty because i got pleasure out of that lol anyways im looking now for a new martial art to study and learn |
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duke of new york
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I am interested in trying out some kind of martial art. I've never done any before, but it's something I have always been kind of interested in. I am interested in it as a way to improve my overall physical fitness, as well as the mental discipline/meditative aspect of it. Actually learning to fight someone, in competition or self-defense, is not important to me. I'm 23, in decent shape but not extremely strong or athletic, and in good health. Can anyone suggest a style of martial arts I might enjoy, and/or a good place to try? I live in Gangnam (Yeoksam station). |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I am interested in trying out some kind of martial art. I've never done any before, but it's something I have always been kind of interested in. I am interested in it as a way to improve my overall physical fitness, as well as the mental discipline/meditative aspect of it. Actually learning to fight someone, in competition or self-defense, is not important to me. I'm 23, in decent shape but not extremely strong or athletic, and in good health. Can anyone suggest a style of martial arts I might enjoy, and/or a good place to try? I live in Gangnam (Yeoksam station). |
It really depends on what you are looking for. Hard or soft style? contact sparring for training or not. Really in korea there is too many to name BUT you have to watch out for in where you go. I actually recommend Aikido/Hapkido or Tai chi as good starting martial arts. Aikido/HKD help to redirect the opponents energy and use it to your advantage. Tai chi helps you learn self defense and at the same time improve posture and strength both inner and outer. The thing about both of these is that they help build your inner discipline as well. I studied TKD for 12 years in the state but my instructor was a korean guy who was very peaceful and believed in avoiding confrontation while teaching the physical and mental aspects of martial arts. A lot of the TKD teachers here have MANY young students so its hard to find a school that knows about the adult mentality for building a better person. hope this helps |
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duke of new york
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
It really depends on what you are looking for. Hard or soft style? contact sparring for training or not. Really in korea there is too many to name BUT you have to watch out for in where you go. I actually recommend Aikido/Hapkido or Tai chi as good starting martial arts. Aikido/HKD help to redirect the opponents energy and use it to your advantage. Tai chi helps you learn self defense and at the same time improve posture and strength both inner and outer. The thing about both of these is that they help build your inner discipline as well. I studied TKD for 12 years in the state but my instructor was a korean guy who was very peaceful and believed in avoiding confrontation while teaching the physical and mental aspects of martial arts. A lot of the TKD teachers here have MANY young students so its hard to find a school that knows about the adult mentality for building a better person. hope this helps |
Thanks for that info. As far as what I am looking for, like I said, as long as there is an emphasis on the mental aspect, I don't have any particular preference for contact/no contact, hard/soft, etc. So maybe it is more important for me to find the right gym and teacher, whatever the style. Aikido seems interesting; do you know of any good places to learn around Gangnam? |
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bbok23
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
It really depends on what you are looking for. Hard or soft style? contact sparring for training or not. Really in korea there is too many to name BUT you have to watch out for in where you go. I actually recommend Aikido/Hapkido or Tai chi as good starting martial arts. Aikido/HKD help to redirect the opponents energy and use it to your advantage. Tai chi helps you learn self defense and at the same time improve posture and strength both inner and outer. The thing about both of these is that they help build your inner discipline as well. I studied TKD for 12 years in the state but my instructor was a korean guy who was very peaceful and believed in avoiding confrontation while teaching the physical and mental aspects of martial arts. A lot of the TKD teachers here have MANY young students so its hard to find a school that knows about the adult mentality for building a better person. hope this helps |
Thanks for that info. As far as what I am looking for, like I said, as long as there is an emphasis on the mental aspect, I don't have any particular preference for contact/no contact, hard/soft, etc. So maybe it is more important for me to find the right gym and teacher, whatever the style. Aikido seems interesting; do you know of any good places to learn around Gangnam? |
I am literally in the exact same boat as you. Just got here two weeks ago, and am looking for a way to improve physical fitness and a level of mental discipline. I did Tae-Kwon-Do in the states for about 6 months, not really any good at it, but it was really awesome to do. Hopefully there is something for us here. I don't speak much Korean, and like I said I probably wouldn't be that good, but I'm in decent shape like you, and would love to use some free time here towards a good cause like this.
If you find anything could you let me know? I live in Pyeongtaek, anything nearby, even if its a trainride, would be awesome! Anyway, cheers, and best of luck. |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
It really depends on what you are looking for. Hard or soft style? contact sparring for training or not. Really in korea there is too many to name BUT you have to watch out for in where you go. I actually recommend Aikido/Hapkido or Tai chi as good starting martial arts. Aikido/HKD help to redirect the opponents energy and use it to your advantage. Tai chi helps you learn self defense and at the same time improve posture and strength both inner and outer. The thing about both of these is that they help build your inner discipline as well. I studied TKD for 12 years in the state but my instructor was a korean guy who was very peaceful and believed in avoiding confrontation while teaching the physical and mental aspects of martial arts. A lot of the TKD teachers here have MANY young students so its hard to find a school that knows about the adult mentality for building a better person. hope this helps |
Thanks for that info. As far as what I am looking for, like I said, as long as there is an emphasis on the mental aspect, I don't have any particular preference for contact/no contact, hard/soft, etc. So maybe it is more important for me to find the right gym and teacher, whatever the style. Aikido seems interesting; do you know of any good places to learn around Gangnam? |
Actually i know there are many aikido/hapkido places in gangnam, if you can read korean you can type it in naver and then put gangnam or seoul and bring it up. I will look tomorrow because i am going to start doing aikido or karate again. Teh only bad thing about gangnam and seoul is that many places overcharge. for example there is a jeet kune do place near yang jae station. He is open 4 days a week but he charges 200,000 a month. I like jeet kune do but not that much. Il keep u informed about looking when i search tomorrow |
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chrisinkorea2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| duke of new york wrote: |
| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
It really depends on what you are looking for. Hard or soft style? contact sparring for training or not. Really in korea there is too many to name BUT you have to watch out for in where you go. I actually recommend Aikido/Hapkido or Tai chi as good starting martial arts. Aikido/HKD help to redirect the opponents energy and use it to your advantage. Tai chi helps you learn self defense and at the same time improve posture and strength both inner and outer. The thing about both of these is that they help build your inner discipline as well. I studied TKD for 12 years in the state but my instructor was a korean guy who was very peaceful and believed in avoiding confrontation while teaching the physical and mental aspects of martial arts. A lot of the TKD teachers here have MANY young students so its hard to find a school that knows about the adult mentality for building a better person. hope this helps |
Thanks for that info. As far as what I am looking for, like I said, as long as there is an emphasis on the mental aspect, I don't have any particular preference for contact/no contact, hard/soft, etc. So maybe it is more important for me to find the right gym and teacher, whatever the style. Aikido seems interesting; do you know of any good places to learn around Gangnam? |
I am literally in the exact same boat as you. Just got here two weeks ago, and am looking for a way to improve physical fitness and a level of mental discipline. I did Tae-Kwon-Do in the states for about 6 months, not really any good at it, but it was really awesome to do. Hopefully there is something for us here. I don't speak much Korean, and like I said I probably wouldn't be that good, but I'm in decent shape like you, and would love to use some free time here towards a good cause like this.
If you find anything could you let me know? I live in Pyeongtaek, anything nearby, even if its a trainride, would be awesome! Anyway, cheers, and best of luck. |
For you, pyeongtaek has some things but im not sure exactly what you are looking for. I visit pyeongtaek once in a while because my friend lives 2 minutes from the station. I know she was looking as well for something. I believe there is a couple gyms/academies there for martial arts, but il let u know tomorrow when i do a search for it |
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duke of new york
Joined: 23 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Chris. I'm not going to pay 200 a month either, but hopefully there is something reasonable out there! I searched this thread, and apparently there is a place in Sinchon. That's a little out of my way, but maybe it would interest you? Their site is http://aikido.co.kr/ |
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bbok23
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:06 am Post subject: |
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For you, pyeongtaek has some things but im not sure exactly what you are looking for. I visit pyeongtaek once in a while because my friend lives 2 minutes from the station. I know she was looking as well for something. I believe there is a couple gyms/academies there for martial arts, but il let u know tomorrow when i do a search for it |
Thanks Chris, big time. To be honest it is hard to say what I'm looking for, really I guess nothing too specific seeing as how I am 15,000 miles from home and no almost nothing about any of the opportunities, not very picky I guess is what I'd say. Just a chance that allows you to push yourself physically and mentally pretty hard at least a few times a week, or even more if possible. There are other foreigners in Pyeongtaek, but haven't met anyone yet who does sports here or martial arts. I know I'll go crazy this winter if I don't find something.
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jleeftw
Joined: 11 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| So nobody knows any muay thai/mma gyms in gangnam area? closer to seochodong/dogok dong...? |
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chrisinkorea2011
Joined: 16 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Chris. I'm not going to pay 200 a month either, but hopefully there is something reasonable out there! I searched this thread, and apparently there is a place in Sinchon. That's a little out of my way, but maybe it would interest you? Their site is http://aikido.co.kr/ |
that place looks nice, actually i was going to go there before but never had enough time to go there last year, this year im sure id like to see it. The bad thing is it says hapkido on the website but he advertises Aikido. Although they are similar and hapkido has roots in Aikido, Aikido differs in many ways. Also if you can read korean, the pricing actually comes up as well. its 30,000 enrollment fee, 125 a month for men (115 for women and children) and the uniform costs 50,000. so expect to pay 205 the first month. Actually i love japanese martial arts so im thinking of definitely going here lol |
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