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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| All I'm trying to do now is to square this sentence (too brief, in my opinion) with the time a Korean national got for raping an American (female) soldier in Uijeongbu last summer. He was sentenced in the past couple of weeks. He got three and half years. Didn't hear any gnashing of teeth there, though. It seems the court took into consideration that the rapist was "a first time offender, and committed his crime unintentionally after drinking and regrets his wrongdoings." WTF? So, next time he'll get five years if he he was drunk and still didn't really intend to rape? Yet, when the US soldier's attorneys argued for leniency due to the fact that their client was drunk, that didn't seem to resonate so much with the judge. I love Korea, but this is not right. And this is why the SOFA should never have been altered to allow Korean courts to try such cases. |
Different judges give different sentences. There's no automatic sentence for rape. Heck people get off scot-free sometimes due to technicalities. |
Heck people sometimes get off scott -free in Korea just by giving the victim a few million won. |
Only if the victim agrees though. If the victim wishes to press charges instead then the perpetrator has to go to trial. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| A while back there was a case where a Korean man entered a South African girl teacher's apartment, hand cuffed her, and raped her. It turns out he was her neighbor and had been watching her and planning for some time. They caught him and the police pressured the girl to accept a monetary settlement instead of jail time. The perp offered money but had the nerve to insist that the girl leave Korea as a condition of the settlement. Has anyone heard what happened in this case? |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Birder wrote: |
| All I'm trying to do now is to square this sentence (too brief, in my opinion) with the time a Korean national got for raping an American (female) soldier in Uijeongbu last summer. He was sentenced in the past couple of weeks. He got three and half years. Didn't hear any gnashing of teeth there, though. It seems the court took into consideration that the rapist was "a first time offender, and committed his crime unintentionally after drinking and regrets his wrongdoings." WTF? So, next time he'll get five years if he he was drunk and still didn't really intend to rape? Yet, when the US soldier's attorneys argued for leniency due to the fact that their client was drunk, that didn't seem to resonate so much with the judge. I love Korea, but this is not right. And this is why the SOFA should never have been altered to allow Korean courts to try such cases. |
Different judges give different sentences. There's no automatic sentence for rape. Heck people get off scot-free sometimes due to technicalities. |
Heck people sometimes get off scott -free in Korea just by giving the victim a few million won. |
Only if the victim agrees though. If the victim wishes to press charges instead then the perpetrator has to go to trial. |
Hey UrbanMyth,
Do you know if the police ever pressure victims to just accept the money. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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From today's Stars & Stripes:
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Analysis
Korea rape sentences: Each case has 'unique set of circumstances'
By JON RABIROFF , ASHLEY ROWLAND , YOO KYONG CHANG
Stars and Stripes
Published: November 3, 2011
UIJEONGBU, South Korea � From a distance, it appears a travesty of justice has occurred.
In hearings held just 12 days apart in the same courtroom, the same three-judge Uijeongbu District Court panel sentenced a Korean man in his 20s to 3.5 years in prison for the rape of a U.S. soldier in her late teens, and sentenced a U.S. soldier in his 20s to 10 years in prison for the rape of a Korean girl in her late teens. |
Be sure to read the entire two-page article. And remember that this is not a case of "different judges giving different sentences." It's a case of the same three judges on the same panel giving different sentences. Yes, each case has a different set of circumstances. Ignoring the simple fact that the perpetrator in the latest case is a US soldier and there were protests about this case in particular is disingenuous at best. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
From today's Stars & Stripes:
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Analysis
Korea rape sentences: Each case has 'unique set of circumstances'
By JON RABIROFF , ASHLEY ROWLAND , YOO KYONG CHANG
Stars and Stripes
Published: November 3, 2011
UIJEONGBU, South Korea � From a distance, it appears a travesty of justice has occurred.
In hearings held just 12 days apart in the same courtroom, the same three-judge Uijeongbu District Court panel sentenced a Korean man in his 20s to 3.5 years in prison for the rape of a U.S. soldier in her late teens, and sentenced a U.S. soldier in his 20s to 10 years in prison for the rape of a Korean girl in her late teens. |
Be sure to read the entire two-page article. And remember that this is not a case of "different judges giving different sentences." It's a case of the same three judges on the same panel giving different sentences. Yes, each case has a different set of circumstances. Ignoring the simple fact that the perpetrator in the latest case is a US soldier and there were protests about this case in particular is disingenuous at best. |
This shows exactly why the US needs SOFA agreements. With protesters in the streets do you think this soldier had any chance of getting a prison sentence that was more in line with the typical sentencing in Korea? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
From today's Stars & Stripes:
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Analysis
Korea rape sentences: Each case has 'unique set of circumstances'
By JON RABIROFF , ASHLEY ROWLAND , YOO KYONG CHANG
Stars and Stripes
Published: November 3, 2011
UIJEONGBU, South Korea � From a distance, it appears a travesty of justice has occurred.
In hearings held just 12 days apart in the same courtroom, the same three-judge Uijeongbu District Court panel sentenced a Korean man in his 20s to 3.5 years in prison for the rape of a U.S. soldier in her late teens, and sentenced a U.S. soldier in his 20s to 10 years in prison for the rape of a Korean girl in her late teens. |
Be sure to read the entire two-page article. And remember that this is not a case of "different judges giving different sentences." It's a case of the same three judges on the same panel giving different sentences. Yes, each case has a different set of circumstances. Ignoring the simple fact that the perpetrator in the latest case is a US soldier and there were protests about this case in particular is disingenuous at best. |
So it would seem that is is a case of different circumstances.
Both women were raped that much is true. But the U.S soldier who committed the crime did much more than that.
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On the opening day of his trial last month, Flippin admitted raping and robbing the girl in a dormitory-style apartment and hotel building near Camp Casey in Dongducheon.
A closed-circuit video introduced as evidence in the case showed Flippin trying to open several doors before entering the victim�s unlocked room. Once inside, according to court testimony, he repeatedly raped and sodomized the victim over the course of four hours.
During that time, he also punched and slapped the victim in the face, stole a small amount of money from her wallet, dragged her across the room, threatened her with a knife and pair of scissors, and burned her breast with a lighter, among other things, according to court records and testimony. |
So repeated rape, sodomy, torture and robbery over a period of four hours. He'd plenty of time to reflect on what he was doing drunk or not. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| radcon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Birder wrote: |
| All I'm trying to do now is to square this sentence (too brief, in my opinion) with the time a Korean national got for raping an American (female) soldier in Uijeongbu last summer. He was sentenced in the past couple of weeks. He got three and half years. Didn't hear any gnashing of teeth there, though. It seems the court took into consideration that the rapist was "a first time offender, and committed his crime unintentionally after drinking and regrets his wrongdoings." WTF? So, next time he'll get five years if he he was drunk and still didn't really intend to rape? Yet, when the US soldier's attorneys argued for leniency due to the fact that their client was drunk, that didn't seem to resonate so much with the judge. I love Korea, but this is not right. And this is why the SOFA should never have been altered to allow Korean courts to try such cases. |
Different judges give different sentences. There's no automatic sentence for rape. Heck people get off scot-free sometimes due to technicalities. |
Heck people sometimes get off scott -free in Korea just by giving the victim a few million won. |
Only if the victim agrees though. If the victim wishes to press charges instead then the perpetrator has to go to trial. |
Hey UrbanMyth,
Do you know if the police ever pressure victims to just accept the money. |
Define "pressure". Rubber hoses? Cattle prods? Or simply asking the victim to reconsider?
How about you? You ever been privy to this "pressure" or just repeating what you heard?
Personally I think both sentences were far too brief. But with a maximum time of 15 years...it could have been a lot longer for the soldier. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Be sure to read the entire two-page article. And remember that this is not a case of "different judges giving different sentences." It's a case of the same three judges on the same panel giving different sentences. Yes, each case has a different set of circumstances. Ignoring the simple fact that the perpetrator in the latest case is a US soldier and there were protests about this case in particular is disingenuous at best. |
In Korea, justice is what a hoard of screaming, whining people want it to be. Now I'm not saying the soldier should've gotten off easy. I personally think rapists deserve to be castrated, so every rapist, Korean or not, should be treated with the same cruelty. It's an injustice that a Korean such a light sentence for the rape. In my opinion it only makes it worse that he raped a US soldier; someone will fight with her life to defend this country should the Norks attack. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
From today's Stars & Stripes:
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Analysis
Korea rape sentences: Each case has 'unique set of circumstances'
By JON RABIROFF , ASHLEY ROWLAND , YOO KYONG CHANG
Stars and Stripes
Published: November 3, 2011
UIJEONGBU, South Korea � From a distance, it appears a travesty of justice has occurred.
In hearings held just 12 days apart in the same courtroom, the same three-judge Uijeongbu District Court panel sentenced a Korean man in his 20s to 3.5 years in prison for the rape of a U.S. soldier in her late teens, and sentenced a U.S. soldier in his 20s to 10 years in prison for the rape of a Korean girl in her late teens. |
Be sure to read the entire two-page article. And remember that this is not a case of "different judges giving different sentences." It's a case of the same three judges on the same panel giving different sentences. Yes, each case has a different set of circumstances. Ignoring the simple fact that the perpetrator in the latest case is a US soldier and there were protests about this case in particular is disingenuous at best. |
So it sounds like a US soldier is more likely to be treated fairly in a Korean court of law than in the Korean court of public opinion. |
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