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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Are there hostile workplace environment laws in Korea? |
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| I realize I may look foolish by asking this, but are there any laws to protect employees from a hostile workplace environment? Or do they not exist? (However, I would rather look stupid than do stupid actions.) What rights do I have as an employee in Korea? I would appreciate any information you have. Thanks! |
Yes, you have the right to not be beaten, tortured or forced to work against your will. You have the right to quit (but there may be financial repercussions if you do).
If you have interpersonal problems with a co-worker, supervisor/employer, work it out or leave (this isn't Kansas and Confucius rules).
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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As one who has managed thousands of truck drivers in the southeastern USA, just view her as a truck driver, a 6 on a scale of 10 for rudeness.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| As one who has managed thousands of truck drivers in the southeastern USA, just view her as a truck driver, a 6 on a scale of 10 for rudeness. |
Thank goodness, someone with a sense of perspective and has actually lived in the real world. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| As one who has managed thousands of truck drivers in the southeastern USA, just view her as a truck driver, a 6 on a scale of 10 for rudeness. |
Thank goodness, someone with a sense of perspective and has actually lived in the real world. |
Sorry but in the real world I lived in back home, a rude and uncooperative coworker would be reported to management with evidence / examples of the problem behaviour and you, them and management would have a sit down to try to remedy the situation. I'm talking workplaces RELEVANT to the op's situation such as offices or schools - not TRUCK DRIVER'S. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| As one who has managed thousands of truck drivers in the southeastern USA, just view her as a truck driver, a 6 on a scale of 10 for rudeness. |
Thank goodness, someone with a sense of perspective and has actually lived in the real world. |
Sorry but in the real world I lived in back home, a rude and uncooperative coworker would be reported to management with evidence / examples of the problem behaviour and you, them and management would have a sit down to try to remedy the situation. I'm talking workplaces RELEVANT to the op's situation such as offices or schools - not TRUCK DRIVER'S. |
Sure in some offices. In others, not so much. Do you really think things work like they are advertised to back home?
One of my friends works in a law firm and tells how her boss has a terrible temper and rants and insults the employees and sometimes has them do menial tasks and they consider it harassment. But what are they going to do? Sue him? So they either quit or deal with it. The guy pays great, so what can they do.
The problem with this is that so often, there is no evidence to present to management. It's all he-said, she-said. Which is all we have here from the OP. Then comes the tough part if the abusive person is a significantly more effective employee than the abusee or is a long-standing employee. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| As one who has managed thousands of truck drivers in the southeastern USA, just view her as a truck driver, a 6 on a scale of 10 for rudeness. |
Thank goodness, someone with a sense of perspective and has actually lived in the real world. |
Sorry but in the real world I lived in back home, a rude and uncooperative coworker would be reported to management with evidence / examples of the problem behaviour and you, them and management would have a sit down to try to remedy the situation. I'm talking workplaces RELEVANT to the op's situation such as offices or schools - not TRUCK DRIVER'S. |
Sure in some offices. In others, not so much. Do you really think things work like they are advertised to back home?
One of my friends works in a law firm and tells how her boss has a terrible temper and rants and insults the employees and sometimes has them do menial tasks and they consider it harassment. But what are they going to do? Sue him? So they either quit or deal with it. The guy pays great, so what can they do.
The problem with this is that so often, there is no evidence to present to management. It's all he-said, she-said. Which is all we have here from the OP. Then comes the tough part if the abusive person is a significantly more effective employee than the abusee or is a long-standing employee. |
We are not talking about the boss of a company. We are talking about coworkers in a school environment and yes absolutely in my real world experience offensive behavour / bad manners / petty arguments etc between staff would be treated that way in my country in an office or school environment.
But yes there would need to be a solid case dealt with trough correct procedure built on solid evidence that obnoxious behaviour had taken place and was the cause of duress / bad worplace relationships etc. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Floating, mind telling us how many years experience you have teaching in schools back home? And where abouts they were. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Floating, mind telling us how many years experience you have teaching in schools back home? And where abouts they were. |
I worked for both The Ministry of Education at the teacher training agency for schools as a junior manager and also worKed in the HR dept for London City Council as an HR rep for teachers and school staff for over a year.
Good enough? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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So you worked in head office/admin.
Any chance you think rules/regulations are handled different there than in the schools? What about the private sector? Do you think they also run the same way as city government? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, if I worked with someone back home who went to management over the occasional snippy comment, I probably wouldn't think very highly of them. Just saying. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. It looks like some of you have never had a job before. I would exchange work war stories with my co-workers about our boss at a law firm. He'd blow a gasket over the smallest things. Once I was walking by his office and he called me in. Then he insulted me for a good 15 minutes over the fact that I did not come into his office with a writing pad and pencil. He was literally frothing at the corners of his mouth with spittle flying everywhere. Said I was unprepared and thoughtless; never mind the fact that I was merely walking by his office when he called me in.
One of the secretaries once told opposing counsel that our boss was out to lunch and couldn't take the call. Unbeknownst to her, apparently he had lied to the opposing counsel and said that he was out of town and couldn't make a court appointment. So when he found out that the secretary accidentally told the truth and contradicted him, he took a large stapler and threw it at her head. He missed, but she showed me the dent in the wall by her computer. He cussed her out for what seemed like an eternity, using language that would make Andrew Dice Clay blush. F'ning c--t this, stupid b---h that. All at a yelling voice that people two doors down could easily hear. Now that was a hostile workplace. |
He'd throw something at my head once then he'd be on the ground. Fire me? He started it. Lawsuit major repercussions. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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So you worked in head office/admin.
Any chance you think rules/regulations are handled different there than in the schools? What about the private sector? Do you think they also run the same way as city government? |
HR. That should tell you all you need to know. In case it doesn't - HR are the folks who deal with such disputes as intermediaries. They don't just do payroll and admin. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| I think a short letter to the U.N. is in order. They should be able to sort this out quickly. Or try the old adult trick of working through the problem with her. Employees come to me with this sort of problem , I tell them to settle it like grownups or find a new job. That usually does it. |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| think a short letter to the U.N. is in order |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
So you worked in head office/admin.
Any chance you think rules/regulations are handled different there than in the schools? What about the private sector? Do you think they also run the same way as city government? |
HR. That should tell you all you need to know. In case it doesn't - HR are the folks who deal with such disputes as intermediaries. They don't just do payroll and admin. |
Thats funny. Ministry level HR has very little to do with day to day activities at individual public schools. Heck, the schoolboards have very little to do with day to day stuff.
The principal of the school handles this. Now what the OP described happens EVERYDAY in EVERY school EVERYWHERE! Its called co-workers not getting along. What he described is not even close to harrassement, its not even a conflict, its two people not getting along.
Do you actually think Ministerial level HR would step in to discuss two co-workers in ONE school who appear not to get along???
In such cases, most conflict resolution policies dictate solving any issue at the LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL. In plan English it would mean telling these two to sit down and talk it out. |
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